Synthetic vs Whole Food based supplements?

sc871 wrote:CS either one of these better than the other?
http://www.iherb.com/MegaFood-DailyFoods-Balanced-B-Complex-90-Tablets/3992?at=hil335
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vitamin-Code-Raw-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/15852?at=hil335

ailin wrote:Thanks..Okay also I was looking at the megafood brands of vitamins and it seems that a lot of it comes from S. cerevisiae? is this the same as brewers yeast? Can I take this if i have candida and leaky gut?..

Columbo wrote:I'm a little confused about these whole food supplements... they ferment whole foods with yeast then extract the nutrients, right?

How do these nutrients differ from just eating the whole food direct? (In terms of composition, bio-availability, co-factors etc.)

Nice forum, BTW.

A Daily Brazil Nut Better than a Supplement for Selenium

New Zealand researchers compared Brazil nuts' efficacy to that of selenomethionine supplements in increasing selenium status in 59 New Zealand residents with low selenium (plasma selenium concentrations < 1.27 micro mol/L).

Participants were randomly assigned to one of three groups. One group ate two Brazil nuts each day (estimated to provide approx. 100 micrograms Se). A second group took a supplement providing 100 micrograms of selenium as selenomethionine per day, and the third group, who served as controls, were given a placebo pill. Blood levels of selenium and glutathione peroxidase (GPx - a selenium containing enzyme that is one of the body's most important antioxidants) activities were measured at the beginning of the study and at 2, 4, 8, and 12 weeks.

By week 12, blood levels of selenium had increased by 64.2%, 61.0% and 7.6%, respectively, in the Brazil nut, selenomethionine, and placebo groups. Plasma levels of GPx increased by 8.3%, 3.4% and -1.2%, and whole blood GPx by 13.2%, 5.3% and 1.9% in the Brazil nut, selenomethionine and placebo groups, respectively.

Not only was consumption of two Brazil nuts each day as effective for increasing selenium status and enhancing GPx activity as 100 micrograms of selenomethionine per day, but just one Brazil nut per day would have been sufficient to raise dietary selenium intake to within recommended intake levels for the mineral.

The researchers pointed out that food sources are always preferable to supplementation for improving the nutritional status of a population because they are sustainable, less expensive and have a lower risk of toxicity.

The authors did, however, warn that Brazil nuts are not uniform in their selenium content and may contain much more or much less than the estimated 50 micrograms per nut. No more than one or two Brail nuts should be consumed daily to avoid excessive accumulation of selenium in tissues.

Practical Tip: Enjoy just one Brazil nut each day and help ensure that you get your daily requirement for selenium.

Thomson CD, Chisholm A, McLachlan SK, Campbell JM. Brazil nuts: an effective way to improve selenium status. Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Feb;87(2):379-84. PMID: 18258628
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LittleFighter wrote:

ailin wrote:Thanks..Okay also I was looking at the megafood brands of vitamins and it seems that a lot of it comes from S. cerevisiae? is this the same as brewers yeast? Can I take this if i have candida and leaky gut?..

Yes, that's brewer's yeast.

Even if its dead, it may cause a reaction for some people with conditions such as crohn's disease, with AS-antibodies. Funny how S. Boulardii (related to S.C.) doesn't cause reaction in such cases.

I think for those with candida and leaky gut this formula is fine, just give it a try and see how you react. Start slow if you can, because something that can happen for some at the beginning is detox reactions; and that's perfectly normal.


It is imporant to mention that megafood uses enzymes in its process to hydrolize the yeast cells, reducing or eliminating the possibility for allergic reactions.


BTW ailin, that was an interesting question. I think most people would answer: "Cerevisae is not candida, it's a good yeast. It actually eats candida". LOL that's so untrue, yeast doesn't eat yeast, that doesn't happen in nature. Cerevisae may be antagonic to Candida. And still there's the risk of reacting to it or promoting other fungal infections, in very sensitive people.

jackorama wrote:

LittleFighter wrote:

ailin wrote:Thanks..Okay also I was looking at the megafood brands of vitamins and it seems that a lot of it comes from S. cerevisiae? is this the same as brewers yeast? Can I take this if i have candida and leaky gut?..

Yes, that's brewer's yeast.

Even if its dead, it may cause a reaction for some people with conditions such as crohn's disease, with AS-antibodies. Funny how S. Boulardii (related to S.C.) doesn't cause reaction in such cases.

I think for those with candida and leaky gut this formula is fine, just give it a try and see how you react. Start slow if you can, because something that can happen for some at the beginning is detox reactions; and that's perfectly normal.


It is imporant to mention that megafood uses enzymes in its process to hydrolize the yeast cells, reducing or eliminating the possibility for allergic reactions.


BTW ailin, that was an interesting question. I think most people would answer: "Cerevisae is not candida, it's a good yeast. It actually eats candida". LOL that's so untrue, yeast doesn't eat yeast, that doesn't happen in nature. Cerevisae may be antagonic to Candida. And still there's the risk of reacting to it or promoting other fungal infections, in very sensitive people.

so if i have candida (we all do) should i stay away from brewer's yeast - Cerevisae based multis? Getting confusing...

LittleFighter wrote:

jackorama wrote:

LittleFighter wrote:

ailin wrote:Thanks..Okay also I was looking at the megafood brands of vitamins and it seems that a lot of it comes from S. cerevisiae? is this the same as brewers yeast? Can I take this if i have candida and leaky gut?..

Yes, that's brewer's yeast.

Even if its dead, it may cause a reaction for some people with conditions such as crohn's disease, with AS-antibodies. Funny how S. Boulardii (related to S.C.) doesn't cause reaction in such cases.

I think for those with candida and leaky gut this formula is fine, just give it a try and see how you react. Start slow if you can, because something that can happen for some at the beginning is detox reactions; and that's perfectly normal.


It is imporant to mention that megafood uses enzymes in its process to hydrolize the yeast cells, reducing or eliminating the possibility for allergic reactions.


BTW ailin, that was an interesting question. I think most people would answer: "Cerevisae is not candida, it's a good yeast. It actually eats candida". LOL that's so untrue, yeast doesn't eat yeast, that doesn't happen in nature. Cerevisae may be antagonic to Candida. And still there's the risk of reacting to it or promoting other fungal infections, in very sensitive people.

so if i have candida (we all do) should i stay away from brewer's yeast - Cerevisae based multis? Getting confusing...

The concern is that if your system is sensitized to candida, then you MIGHT react to other yeast, causing an allergic or die off reaction. Besides, in MegaFood supplements the Cerevisae is not active.

Actually I would say don't worry at all, try the food supplement and see how it goes.

jackorama wrote:

LittleFighter wrote:

jackorama wrote:

LittleFighter wrote:

ailin wrote:Thanks..Okay also I was looking at the megafood brands of vitamins and it seems that a lot of it comes from S. cerevisiae? is this the same as brewers yeast? Can I take this if i have candida and leaky gut?..

Yes, that's brewer's yeast.

Even if its dead, it may cause a reaction for some people with conditions such as crohn's disease, with AS-antibodies. Funny how S. Boulardii (related to S.C.) doesn't cause reaction in such cases.

I think for those with candida and leaky gut this formula is fine, just give it a try and see how you react. Start slow if you can, because something that can happen for some at the beginning is detox reactions; and that's perfectly normal.


It is imporant to mention that megafood uses enzymes in its process to hydrolize the yeast cells, reducing or eliminating the possibility for allergic reactions.


BTW ailin, that was an interesting question. I think most people would answer: "Cerevisae is not candida, it's a good yeast. It actually eats candida". LOL that's so untrue, yeast doesn't eat yeast, that doesn't happen in nature. Cerevisae may be antagonic to Candida. And still there's the risk of reacting to it or promoting other fungal infections, in very sensitive people.

so if i have candida (we all do) should i stay away from brewer's yeast - Cerevisae based multis? Getting confusing...

The concern is that if your system is sensitized to candida, then you MIGHT react to other yeast, causing an allergic or die off reaction. Besides, in MegaFood supplements the Cerevisae is not active.

Actually I would say don't worry at all, try the food supplement and see how it goes.

hi and thanks. what would be some of the allergic or die off reactions we might notice?

sc871 wrote:CS either one of these better than the other?
http://www.iherb.com/MegaFood-DailyFoods-Balanced-B-Complex-90-Tablets/3992?at=hil335
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vitamin-Code-Raw-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/15852?at=hil335

sc871 wrote:

sc871 wrote:CS either one of these better than the other?
http://www.iherb.com/MegaFood-DailyFoods-Balanced-B-Complex-90-Tablets/3992?at=hil335
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vitamin-Code-Raw-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/15852?at=hil335

Got another question if I take the MegaFood Balanced B and MegaFood One daily, is that too much B vitamins? Along with that from the IH top 6 I am supplementing Biotin because of taking RLA, should I reduce from 5mg, and I guess the same goes in general redundant nature of taking the Ortho line supplements with a One daily multi.

LittleFighter wrote:

sc871 wrote:

sc871 wrote:CS either one of these better than the other?
http://www.iherb.com/MegaFood-DailyFoods-Balanced-B-Complex-90-Tablets/3992?at=hil335
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vitamin-Code-Raw-B-Complex-60-Veggie-Caps/15852?at=hil335

Got another question if I take the MegaFood Balanced B and MegaFood One daily, is that too much B vitamins? Along with that from the IH top 6 I am supplementing Biotin because of taking RLA, should I reduce from 5mg, and I guess the same goes in general redundant nature of taking the Ortho line supplements with a One daily multi.

It's EXTREMELY hard to overdose on food based vitamins, unlike syntethic ones. I think it may even be nearly impossible.