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Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Wonder what he has to say about the Japanese. They should all have Hashimoto's.
baller234- Posts : 433
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
I would really want CS input on this one!
Misirlou- Posts : 1170
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
I partially debunked this contention in a previous post of mine. Mainly Dr. Clark does a disservice to those doctors like Brownstein, Davis, Dach etc. who test these theories every day in their own medical practices. The truth suffers the most..
4039- Posts : 780
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Generally there is slight risk for those supplementing with iodine in absence of selenium, especially Hashimoto’s sufferers or those who supplement with SOD. A lot of confusion exists on this issue. Especially in Hashimoto’s sufferers, Iodine increases activity of the enzyme thyroid peroxidase, even in the presence of glutathione peroxidase. This makes selenium supplementation a prerequisite.
4039- Posts : 780
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
This has made me nervous about starting iodine now
theseeker- Posts : 85
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Any input from CS on this? Is the guy just on about iodine without supps such as selenium and magnesium taken alongside?
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Amaranthaceae- Posts : 1368
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
I hope CS can give his take on the iodine video from this guy.
The second video was interesting.
The second video was interesting.
theseeker- Posts : 85
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Seems like CS isn't as engaged in this board anymore, same goes for JDP, MisterE etc... I guess he's just busy with HealthyFixx.
Decro435- Posts : 588
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
I don't have access to video at the moment.
In the meantime, here is a quote from Dr. David Brownstein, who has tested several thousand patients before and after iodine (high-dose) therapy.
"Of all the elements known so far to be essential for human health, iodine is the most misunderstood and the most feared. Yet, iodine is the safest of all the essential trace elements, being the only one that can be administered safely for long periods of time to large numbers of patients in daily amounts as high as 100,000 times the RDA. However, this safety record only applies to inorganic, nonradioactive forms of iodine. Some organic iodine containing drugs are extremely toxic and prescribed by physicians. The severe side effects of these drugs are blamed on inorganic iodine although studies have clearly demonstrated that it is the whole molecule that is toxic, not the iodine released from it."
In the meantime, here is a quote from Dr. David Brownstein, who has tested several thousand patients before and after iodine (high-dose) therapy.
"Of all the elements known so far to be essential for human health, iodine is the most misunderstood and the most feared. Yet, iodine is the safest of all the essential trace elements, being the only one that can be administered safely for long periods of time to large numbers of patients in daily amounts as high as 100,000 times the RDA. However, this safety record only applies to inorganic, nonradioactive forms of iodine. Some organic iodine containing drugs are extremely toxic and prescribed by physicians. The severe side effects of these drugs are blamed on inorganic iodine although studies have clearly demonstrated that it is the whole molecule that is toxic, not the iodine released from it."
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Also from the World Health Organization:
"Iodine Deficiency is the world’s most prevalent – yet easily preventable – cause of brain damage. Today we are on the verge of eliminating it – an achievement that will be hailed as a major public health triumph, ranking together with smallpox and poliomyelitis.
Iodine deficiency disorders (IDD) jeopardize children’s mental health – often their very lives. They start before birth. Serious iodine deficiency during pregnancy may result in stillbirths, abortions and congenital abnormalities such as cretinism, a grave, irreversible form of mental retardation that affects people living in iodine-deficient areas of Africa and Asia. However, of far greater global and economic significance is IDD’s less visible, yet more pervasive, level of mental impairment that lowers intellectual prowess at home, at school and at work."
"Iodine Deficiency is the world’s most prevalent – yet easily preventable – cause of brain damage. Today we are on the verge of eliminating it – an achievement that will be hailed as a major public health triumph, ranking together with smallpox and poliomyelitis.
Iodine deficiency disorders (IDD) jeopardize children’s mental health – often their very lives. They start before birth. Serious iodine deficiency during pregnancy may result in stillbirths, abortions and congenital abnormalities such as cretinism, a grave, irreversible form of mental retardation that affects people living in iodine-deficient areas of Africa and Asia. However, of far greater global and economic significance is IDD’s less visible, yet more pervasive, level of mental impairment that lowers intellectual prowess at home, at school and at work."
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
I wouldt listen to this doc, look at him - he's bald!
Now seriously, debates like this is what prevents me from taking the plunge with iodine, i think i'll never risk my health with it.
The problem is that every moron can say he tested several thousands people with good results, i dunno what are the other stuff they taken, what was the setting, was their a control group etc etc etc. I guess in the far future there will be definite ways to check those things in a press of a button
Now seriously, debates like this is what prevents me from taking the plunge with iodine, i think i'll never risk my health with it.
The problem is that every moron can say he tested several thousands people with good results, i dunno what are the other stuff they taken, what was the setting, was their a control group etc etc etc. I guess in the far future there will be definite ways to check those things in a press of a button
FireFist- Posts : 315
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
FireFist wrote:I wouldt listen to this doc, look at him - he's bald!
You're risking you health by not taking iodine, just something to think about.FireFist wrote:Now seriously, debates like this is what prevents me from taking the plunge with iodine, i think i'll never risk my health with it.
I haven't seen the videos above....but if I did, I wouldn't worry about it too much....
If you like, check out the iodine forum on curezone to get a better picture http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815
pancacke- Posts : 1644
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Iodine gave me 4 days of complete relief from inflammation and lowered my hair loss by about 75% in only 4 days. After that I started having swelling on my upper spine (Unknown cause) and began having intense palpitations, heart pain and shortness of breath. The effects of Iodine also seemed to wear off after 4 days and my inflammation and hair loss returned.
There must be something to it, but I can't risk my health again. I've tried the same amount again for only 2 or 3 days and it had no immediate effect like it did the first time I took it. I believe the heart palpitations might have to do with blood pressure, but it could be a multitude of things including mineral imbalance, Bromide toxicity, Mercury and what it very likely might have induced, Hyperthyroidism. I know that you guys don't agree with that but the fact is I started getting all the signs of Hyperthyroidism apart from weight loss. This is what many other sites claim will happen, so it's hard to ignore.
There must be something to it, but I can't risk my health again. I've tried the same amount again for only 2 or 3 days and it had no immediate effect like it did the first time I took it. I believe the heart palpitations might have to do with blood pressure, but it could be a multitude of things including mineral imbalance, Bromide toxicity, Mercury and what it very likely might have induced, Hyperthyroidism. I know that you guys don't agree with that but the fact is I started getting all the signs of Hyperthyroidism apart from weight loss. This is what many other sites claim will happen, so it's hard to ignore.
Decro435- Posts : 588
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Iodine definitely did not do me any good, in fact it make me feel cold, tired and flat out terrible for the month that I stuck with it. It's not something that's going to work for everyone that's for sure.
Icanbeatthis- Posts : 108
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
How do you know iodine is good pancacke? im asking this seriously
Is this because some guy wrote something in a forum over curezone?
For every good iodine post i can find bad iodine post, what i really think?
I truly think people have no idea what they're talking about, and that means to me about 99% of the people out there, and the last 1% that actually know something, cant help you over the internet, they need to see you in person, check you physically, watch blood test results, ask for symptoms etc etc
Is this because some guy wrote something in a forum over curezone?
For every good iodine post i can find bad iodine post, what i really think?
I truly think people have no idea what they're talking about, and that means to me about 99% of the people out there, and the last 1% that actually know something, cant help you over the internet, they need to see you in person, check you physically, watch blood test results, ask for symptoms etc etc
FireFist- Posts : 315
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Just watch Decro and icanbeatthis posts now, dont have to be a mad genius to see iodine (and MANNNY other things) arnt good as you might think (at least not for everybody)
FireFist- Posts : 315
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
icanbeatthis - Were you on selenium, magnesium or vit c when you were on iodine?
tooyoung- Posts : 1978
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
tooyoung wrote:icanbeatthis - Were you on selenium, magnesium or vit c when you were on iodine?
Great question. Also, Ireland is among the few countries in Europe that fluoridates its water supply, so factor in increased toxicity.
My opinion is that there are very few foods and supplements (if any) with an overall net positive effect.... one of the reasons I rarely sweat the small stuff when it comes to health and nutrition. Though taking iodine while ignoring selenium isn't a small issue. It reminds me of the science behind anthropomorphic global warming models that conviently forget to factor in the sun, which is 1,300,000 times larger than the earth. Iodine alone isn't the complete solution. And while daily supplemental iodine costs pennies, profitable thyroidectomies are on the increase.
You can find diametric opinions on even the most fundamental issues. In fact, this dude's opinion on iodine is far more harsh, if not unhealthy.
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/iodine-for-hypothyroidism-like-gasoline-on-a-fire
4039- Posts : 780
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
4039 wrote:tooyoung wrote:icanbeatthis - Were you on selenium, magnesium or vit c when you were on iodine?
Great question. Also, Ireland is among the few countries in Europe that fluoridates its water supply, so factor in increased toxicity.
My opinion is that there are very few foods and supplements (if any) with an overall net positive effect.... one of the reasons I rarely sweat the small stuff when it comes to health and nutrition. Though taking iodine while ignoring selenium isn't a small issue. It reminds me of the science behind anthropomorphic global warming models that conviently forget to factor in the sun, which is 1,300,000 times larger than the earth. Iodine alone isn't the complete solution. And while daily supplemental iodine costs pennies, profitable thyroidectomies are on the increase.
You can find diametric opinions on even the most fundamental issues. In fact, this dude's opinion on iodine is far more harsh, if not unhealthy.
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/iodine-for-hypothyroidism-like-gasoline-on-a-fire
Iodine detoxifies the body of fluoride causing it to be excreted as calcium fluoride, this could be the reason I had swelling on the upper C7 part of my spine. It felt like a bony protrusion, a lot of information links fluoride to complications like bone spurs but my guess is bone spurs take a long time to grow. Maybe if I was excreting calcium fluoride at a high rate it caused a calcium deficiency as suggested on another fluoride detox website. Maybe fluoride was the problem and not Bromide and thats why I have such intense reactions..
Does anyone know of the relationship between fluoride toxicity and the heart or calcium deficiency and the heart for the matter?. Interesting you brought this up because I had never considered it. Fluoride and that swelling on my spine seem to ring a bell?. Could anyone chime in on this?.
Decro435- Posts : 588
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
How many mg of Iodine were you taking when you had the swelling happen?
jk120- Posts : 42
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
Decro435 - Yes, there is an association with fluoride and calcium problems. In fact, some calcium related disorders have fluoride as the sole cause.
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I believe it varied between 4 drops to a dropper full (20>) I can't exactly remember. It was Iosol I was using.
CS, do you know of any indication of whether this could cause the heart problems I had. The whole Iodine-Selenium-Calcium-Magnesium-Potassium ratios have me quite mixed up. If fluoride was my problem, then do you believe using iodine could have released too much fluoride into my system causing the heart problems?.
Does anyone have any information on how calcium can effect the heart?, or have any information on how fluoride or calcium could have caused the swelling on my spine?.
CS, do you know of any indication of whether this could cause the heart problems I had. The whole Iodine-Selenium-Calcium-Magnesium-Potassium ratios have me quite mixed up. If fluoride was my problem, then do you believe using iodine could have released too much fluoride into my system causing the heart problems?.
Does anyone have any information on how calcium can effect the heart?, or have any information on how fluoride or calcium could have caused the swelling on my spine?.
Decro435- Posts : 588
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Re: Low thyroid mistake #1- Iodine
There are some theories floating around(earth clinic) that when one is super iodine deficient taking lugols 4/5 days on then 4/5 days off helps with the bodies ability to detox crap from your system without the side effects, especially if you are taking enough selenium, magnesium, vit C as well.
Also for what its worth Edgar Cayce gave the recommendations for iodine to be taken 5 days on and 5days off.
Though in the long run, taking kelp is the healthiest way to achieve your iodine needs.
Also for what its worth Edgar Cayce gave the recommendations for iodine to be taken 5 days on and 5days off.
Though in the long run, taking kelp is the healthiest way to achieve your iodine needs.
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