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Post  halfempty Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:43 am

Hey guys I am having a hell of a time with brain fog, which is very stressful, because it really limits my ability to form complete thoughts and have good conversations.

I am on Lexapro, Welbutrin, and Dutasteride.

I am getting off of dutasteride and getting on finasteride to see if that helps with the brain fog.

I am on most of Immortals top 6 except for Lignans.

Do anyone else have this problem from taking pharmaceuticals?

I really do not want to get off fin or dut completely because I don't want to accelerate my hair loss as my follicles are probably even more sensitive to DHT after being on it for so long.

Has anyone had any luck fighting this brain fog without actually getting off of the pharmas?

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:17 am

halfempty - Lexapro alters prolactin cycles, and can cause brain fog and hair loss.

There a few common causes of "dis-orders" that can be created for which drugs like Lexapro and Bupropion
are prescribed. Adrenal fatigue would be #1. Getting this corrected with Glandulars would fix the problem. #2 would be metal toxicity (Lead, Mercury, etc.) #3 Would be Dietary, such as Candida overgrowth related to diet. #4 Essential fatty acid deficiencies.
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Post  halfempty Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:41 am

Thanks Caustic! Your input is always really appreciated.

I was just on a website that listed the side effects of lexapro. I have too many of those side effects and it is making life very difficult. I have no idea what it is like to feel clear headed.

I want to get off of these meds, but I do break down when I try to get off of them. I have to get intense therapy to get to the root of the problem.

These drugs are evil. I feel as though I am in an unhappy marriage with these meds.

If anyone else has gotten off of anti-depressants on the board and suffers from a disorder please tell me about your journey.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:18 am

halfempty - I must have forgot, but one way to overcome brain fog, say caused by DHT blockers Dut or Fin is to take Pregnenolone or Progesterone. Either one could be used since Dut and Fin cut off the production of allopregenolone.

On the other hand, simply taking Phosphatidylserine could help not having to worry about hormones. You might try to experiment with these see if they help.
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Post  halfempty Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:13 am

The the progesterone the cream that you put on the testes?

Can you post a link to the stuff?

I remember you talking about it, but I am unsure where that info is.

Thanks again man.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:22 am

halfempty - Sure no problem.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=779

Just use a very tiny amount on the testes, like 1/4 tsp.
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Post  chapat Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:35 pm

1 1/4 tsp everyday?

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Post  nidhogge Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:17 am

Chapat--

I did this for a month, but did two 1/4 tsps. I suggest shaving to make application less of a hassle if not shaved already.

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Post  chapat Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:15 am

What does the progesterone cream do for us guys. Can't find it in the search. Thanks

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Post  CausticSymmetry Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:24 am

chapat - It's a way to compensate for the loss of 5-alpha reductase when using finasteride or dutasteride, since it is used to make other important hormones.
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Post  edony Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:14 am

IH,
what if one uses Prog cream to balance bad estrogens in the body even if not on fin or dut? If you remember, Prague was a huge proponent of it.I apply 1/2 tsp per day and I dont use any 5-ar inhibitor.Can it be of any merit and why don t you include it in your regimen?
I truly believe Progesterone is important for treating mpb.
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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:47 pm

edony - I'm glad it seems to help.

The main reason is a lack of anecdotal feedback and my own experience, which it seems to have a relatively brief effect.

If the half-life were more sustained I think it would be of better use. Progesterone does inhibit DHT while combating estrogen, so it is a perfect idea, and I for one have used it for many years--but I have not been very consistent with it. I have a relative who has used it fairly consistently, and he claims he had no hair loss as a result, but he does not have much of a MPB tendency so I discount it.

I can take pills without fail, but for whatever reason, when it comes to creams or topicals I have a hard time.

I had it on my site for a while, but I removed it, as I really didn't know if its effects were worth it. I believe that if one is using a prescription 5-AR blocker, then using progesterone would be an important consideration.

I had a bad experience trying it on my scalp some years back and do not recommend it to be applied there.
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Post  nidhogge Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:12 am

IH--

Have you been keeping up with the HGF daily, morning and night? If so, any little sprouts that you've been noticing? Probably too early to tell.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:30 am

nidhogge - I have noticed one thing (no hair yet of course), within minutes after the application it feels itchy in those areas. Not a strong itch, just a mild one. That tells me that something is happening.

Some have theorized that scalp itch during hair loss treatments sometimes indicate hair growth.

How are things going for you, and have you noticed something similar?
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Post  nidhogge Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:12 am

Yep--I get a slight itch sometimes, at others, just a warming sensation. With the TCA30 peel, or rather TCA20 since that's what I diluted it to, and in conjunction with the Getfitinib solution application, I've managed to get a good deal of new vellus hairs sprouting out. I'm curious to see where things will be in a couple more weeks--roughly a month after initial application of the newly epithelialized skin. Thus far, very optimistic!

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Post  chapat Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:13 am

Nid-
Is that the stuff you made up and do you think its better than the Promox's and those other minox spays?

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Post  CausticSymmetry Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:29 am

nidhogge - I'm thinking I should dip a little DMSO in to this stuff, or use the TCA peels like yourself. I might as well maximize the effect.

What's your favorite source for the peels?
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Post  nidhogge Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:32 am

Chapat--

This is the Hair Growth Factor stuff that I had Caragen formulate for me. It's 10% CG-Noggin, 10% Keramin-2, and 10% Prohairin-B4. They have shown great promise in vitro and on mice, and the science is sound behind them, but only a matter of time and testing will tell! Smile

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http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/products/30_TCA_Kits-367-22.html

I got 1 oz, and it's pretty much a lifetime supply. They provide you with a dropper and a little cup, and you drop 100 drops of the TCA30 into the cup, and 50 drops of Distilled Water to get it to TCA20 (so, 2:1 basically). Then I just use the dropper to swirl it around a bit in the cup to make sure it mixes into solution. They provide two pieces of gauze--wet half of it with the solution, and apply it in horizontal motions on the area that you'd like to wound. It'll start to look like a brushburn and you'll notice frosting occurring. TCA layers stack, so you can do this every 5 minutes. Don't wash off the peel, the slight burning sensation will fade on its own after its done doing its work.

The new skin will begin to form in a couple days when you start to flake, and the key is not to pull at the flakes or it'll cause microscarring. I just left that area alone when shampooing in the shower, and when I'd see new skin creep up underneath flakes that have naturally fallen off, I'd start applying the solutions on them.

Hope that helps!

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:56 am

nidhogge - Excellent, thanks for the detail too!
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Post  nidhogge Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:51 am

No problem, good luck man! Smile

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