Espiro or BCP??

Immorthal,I would like to know wich one is safer,if I have to choose one...
My skin and hair it´s terribly oily,I can´t stand it anymore,I have to take one of this too,or propecia.
Wich one has less side effects?

Sissi--

How long have you been taking the PM for? Maybe give it a couple months to help reduce oiliness.

Nid,I really can´t stand my breasts,they are bigger and hurting me ,more than ever a BCP did....Even with half a pill for day and my skin is still oily and oily...I´ve been using PM for 20 days.

nidhogge wrote:Sissi--

How long have you been taking the PM for? Maybe give it a couple months to help reduce oiliness.

sissi - If you had to choose between finasteride and Birth control pills, the choice would be finasteride. BCP is absolute evil, the side effects include premature death--not worth it.

Of course I agree with nidhogge and would try taking gradual dosages of PM Kudzu until your body adapts to it.

Thanks Immorthal,you just forgot espiro....Propecia or Espiro???

CausticSymmetry wrote:sissi - If you had to choose between finasteride and Birth control pills, the choice would be finasteride. BCP is absolute evil, the side effects include premature death--not worth it.

Of course I agree with nidhogge and would try taking gradual dosages of PM Kudzu until your body adapts to it.

sissi - My Portuguese isn't too good, is Espiro, the same thing as Spirolactone?

And if so, are you intending to use this topically or internally?

Have you ever had your aldosterone levels checked?

Yes,Spirolactone!And I was thinking in use it internally,I had use it before but just for a few months...Is it saffer than Propecia?

Not aldosterone,only 4-androstenodione,dehidroepiandrosterone sulfate,testosterone,prolactine,etc..
But why?

CausticSymmetry wrote:sissi - My Portuguese isn't too good, is Espiro, the same thing as Spirolactone?

And if so, are you intending to use this topically or internally?

Have you ever had your aldosterone levels checked?

sissi - Spirolactone could work, however it does have side-effects and one of them is breast soreness. Assuming that you have elevated aldosterone or 4-aldosterone levels, it would probably work for you.

Spirolactone could be used topically also, but it smells terrible.

I tried it beffore and my breasts were fine,nothing has the same awfull effect like PM...
I never check my aldosterone...But wich one is better,spiro or propecia??I´m gonna take one of this two...

CausticSymmetry wrote:sissi - Spirolactone could work, however it does have side-effects and one of them is breast soreness. Assuming that you have elevated aldosterone or 4-aldosterone levels, it would probably work for you.

Spirolactone could be used topically also, but it smells terrible.

Wich one is more dangerous to the liver?

sissi - I'm not sure which is worse in the long run. But when taking Spirolactone, you'll want to make sure that your potassium levels do not get too high, which could lead to kidney and heart problems. Also your ability to acclimate to heat can become unstable. So if it's really hot outside, you would be more vulnerable to suffering from heat stroke. Also it may lower your folic acid levels and possibly raise your homocysteine levels.

Both drugs should never be used if you're pregnant of course. The concern with finasteride (Propecia) is anxiety, depression and long term advancement of neurodegeneration.

CS, I hope you dont get sued for saying that

CausticSymmetry wrote: The concern with finasteride (Propecia) is anxiety, depression and long term advancement of neurodegeneration.

cpio - Fortunately, we still have free speech on the Internet.

I was here thinking...When I was on Evening Primrose Oil I lost many hair on my legs...Because it might decrease DHT isn´t it? But I´ve nottice my hair became worst,really,much more thin and weak...So my question is...Is the Propecia mechanism of action the same as EPO???

And what´s the mechanism of Espironolactone???

Immorthal,please...

Sissi--

You haven't been on PM long enough to have it work its magic. If this can potentially cure your problem in 3 months for just a little bit of breast pain, then why not stick with it? Better than involving yourself with these other poisons that have side-effects of death.

Cure my problem???In 3 months??But it didn´t happen to no one...And I´m talking serious,It´s not a little,I CAN`T STAND the pain...Just with a pill day yes - day no...

nidhogge wrote:Sissi--

You haven't been on PM long enough to have it work its magic. If this can potentially cure your problem in 3 months for just a little bit of breast pain, then why not stick with it? Better than involving yourself with these other poisons that have side-effects of death.

Also, the pain can be an indication of it working for you! No pain, no gain.

But in 20 days I didn´t see even a little improovment on oilyness ,my skin it´s getting worst...
And breasts pain was never a good sign...

nidhogge wrote:Also, the pain can be an indication of it working for you! No pain, no gain.

Sissi--

Many cures cause painful side-effects before they work, so making a blanket statement such as that isn't fair. Perhaps your hormonal profile is so out of order that due to the intensity of PM's miroestrol content making changes to set things right in your body, you keep getting these pains. Oiliness is an internal process that may take months to change. Under 3 weeks is not a good gauge of anything in terms of effectiveness, unless you're explicitly told that it will work in that amount of time by the provider of the drug or herb.

My dear I had huge pains breasts with PM,my breasts were painfull and big,that I can´t hardly touch them ,so for me no thanks! never more!
But every people are different,so go ahead!
But,by the way, can you answer my question about propecia,EPO,and Spiro ???

Immorthal answer me pleaseeeee

sissi wrote:I was here thinking...When I was on Evening Primrose Oil I lost many hair on my legs...Because it might decrease DHT isn´t it? But I´ve nottice my hair became worst,really,much more thin and weak...So my question is...Is the Propecia mechanism of action the same as EPO???

And what´s the mechanism of Espironolactone???

Immorthal,please...

sissi - EPO inhibits DHT and bypass arachadonic acid release.

Spironolactone inhibits the effect of aldosterone in receptors, it also blocks the effects of DHT on receptors and it increases potassium, since it slows its normal excretion. It's also a mild diuretic.

Thanks !! And Propecia how it works??

CausticSymmetry wrote:sissi - EPO inhibits DHT and bypass arachadonic acid release.

Spironolactone inhibits the effect of aldosterone in receptors, it also blocks the effects of DHT on receptors and it increases potassium, since it slows its normal excretion. It's also a mild diuretic.

sissi - I know you're interested in cutting out the "grease" or an oily scalp. The enzyme 5-alpha reductase type I which responsible for the sebacious glands, however Finasteride (Propecia) is an irreversible 5-alpha reductase type II inhibitor, which means in this case it blocks mostly type II 5-AR and not very much of type I.

This means it might help your hair, but not so much your oily scalp.

Did you ever try that Lithium/DMSO combo shampoo?

No Caustic,I was affraid of shedding...And I really don´t know if I can find it here...
I´m very sad because my hair it´s getting worst and worst,since I left my BCP and started on minox,I really don´t know what more can I do .
I didn´t want to get on drugs Immorthal,but I can´t deal with this loss,really ,it´s getting so serious,I don´t know what more can I do...Sorry but I´m really sad and lost...