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Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
interesting video. Didn't Dr Oz rally everyone to get swine flu vaccines last year, but admit himself he wouldn't give it to his family?
zanza- Posts : 138
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
zanza wrote:Didn't Dr Oz rally everyone to get swine flu vaccines last year, but admit himself he wouldn't give it to his family?
I don't know.
misterE- Posts : 753
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
It's a good idea to eat lots of green leafy veggies and fruits... But of course its not a good idea to eat only fruits and veggies...cut out the grains,legumes.
blackjack- Posts : 663
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so much different information! Some say eating all beef helped them regrow their hair, some say vegan is what can help.
Aggghhhh!!
Aggghhhh!!
zanza- Posts : 138
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
Zanza, I think the main point CS tries to make is that it's important to eat for your own particular nutritional type. In addition, control insulin issues by reducing high glycemic foods (refined flour and grains) and sugar.
sdguy- Posts : 402
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zanza wrote:so much different information! Some say eating all beef helped them regrow their hair, some say vegan is what can help.
Aggghhhh!!
Like Dr. Oz says: "LOOK AROUND!"
Countries that eat the most animal-protein and processed-foods are the sickest. Countries that eat the most whole-grain and legumes like beans and rice, with the addition of fruit and veggies have the best health. Do you remember in the video where Dr. Oz says you only need 10% of your calories from protein! Think of how much protein Americans eat!
It is my belief that too much protein increases your free-IGF-1 too much and that lowers SHBG, which enables the conversion of testosterone into estrogen and DHT.
misterE- Posts : 753
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The protein myth is China Study propaganda through and through. The science is so poor that only die-hard vegans will swallow it.
Let's take a look at one of the oldest civilizations, who subsisted on very large quantities of quality protein and plenty of saturated fat. The Aborigines of Australia are recognized to be the oldest living race of mankind. Little baldness was seen even in the very old.
This was documented by Weston A. Price back in the late 19 and 20th centuries with over 18,000 photographs taken.
The primitive races who did not engage in refined starches and sugars, thrived.
Let's take a look at one of the oldest civilizations, who subsisted on very large quantities of quality protein and plenty of saturated fat. The Aborigines of Australia are recognized to be the oldest living race of mankind. Little baldness was seen even in the very old.
This was documented by Weston A. Price back in the late 19 and 20th centuries with over 18,000 photographs taken.
The primitive races who did not engage in refined starches and sugars, thrived.
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
I don't know about the whole beans and rice = good health thing mistere, I live just north of Mexico and they're generally fat and unhealthy, and what do they live on? Beans and rice, plus lots and lots of corn - a big carb.
CS, the only issue I have with the aborigine issue is that American black people tend to have much fewer probs with baldness than whites and their diets are generally worse. Some genetics at work there along with diet for the aborigines I think.
CS, the only issue I have with the aborigine issue is that American black people tend to have much fewer probs with baldness than whites and their diets are generally worse. Some genetics at work there along with diet for the aborigines I think.
sdguy- Posts : 402
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sdguy - Yes, that's a valid point--I agree.
Another example of this is the New Zealand Māori (also before the introduction of "civilized foods").
Another example of this is the New Zealand Māori (also before the introduction of "civilized foods").
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
I do agree protein should be low.. 10% is to low.... 15-20% is more ideal.
i do look around and people are not vegetarians or raw fooders..
i do look around and people are not vegetarians or raw fooders..
blackjack- Posts : 663
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
Black folks simply have a much different type of hair than white folks do. They do experience MPB, but the fact that it's much less whites may have something to do with this.
Dr. Oz, as usual, is half-right or half-wrong (or entirely). He's a straight-up shill for allopathic medicine with some natural thrown in. That BS about only needing 10% of our diet in protein. If it's grass-fed, hormone-free, our diet can be 100%. Why? Because the animales we're eating are herbivores! Their bodies process all the nutrition from the grass that they feed on, and that gets passed on to us; minerals, vitamins, you name it. You are what you eat! Which brings me back a bit to this quote in this thread:
What kind of animal protein are they eating? Anti-biotic and hormone-laden beef, fed on Omega-6 rich grains and corn, generally often sick and living in poor, unnatural conditions. You don't think you'll have a sick country when your country is eating a bunch of that? That's just common sense. Factor in the processed food, and you got a recipe for disaster.
Dr. Oz, as usual, is half-right or half-wrong (or entirely). He's a straight-up shill for allopathic medicine with some natural thrown in. That BS about only needing 10% of our diet in protein. If it's grass-fed, hormone-free, our diet can be 100%. Why? Because the animales we're eating are herbivores! Their bodies process all the nutrition from the grass that they feed on, and that gets passed on to us; minerals, vitamins, you name it. You are what you eat! Which brings me back a bit to this quote in this thread:
Countries that eat the most animal-protein and processed-foods are the sickest.
What kind of animal protein are they eating? Anti-biotic and hormone-laden beef, fed on Omega-6 rich grains and corn, generally often sick and living in poor, unnatural conditions. You don't think you'll have a sick country when your country is eating a bunch of that? That's just common sense. Factor in the processed food, and you got a recipe for disaster.
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nidhogge- Posts : 2142
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
I've seen that guy on TV before, he irks me the wrong way
I don't trust him.....there was one show where he was all about looking younger and it was kind of ridiculous
I don't trust him.....there was one show where he was all about looking younger and it was kind of ridiculous
DouglasM- Posts : 36
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
Kitavan islanders in Papua New Guinea are dam healthy and they eat 70% carbs, 20% fat, 10% protein... most of there fat is saturated fat.
there omega 3-6 is very well balanced...
there omega 3-6 is very well balanced...
blackjack- Posts : 663
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CausticSymmetry wrote:The protein myth is China Study propaganda through and through. The science is so poor that only die-hard vegans will swallow it.
Dr. Oz swallowed it. Why would the China-Study spread propaganda? What are they trying to sell? More rice? More vegetables? If anything you are spreading propaganda to protect the billion-dollar meat & dairy industry!
"The science is so poor"... just like all the other copious amounts of scientific studies that go against your diet?
misterE- Posts : 753
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sdguy wrote:I don't know about the whole beans and rice = good health thing mistere, I live just north of Mexico and they're generally fat and unhealthy, and what do they live on? Beans and rice, plus lots and lots of corn - a big carb.
But they also use lots and lots of lard and cheese. They might not drink milk, but they do slather everything with cheese. For instance, they eat beans and rice, but they probably put huge amounts of lard in with it.
misterE- Posts : 753
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blackjack wrote:
i do look around and people are not vegetarians or raw fooders..
Far from it!
misterE- Posts : 753
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show me a group of people that live long and healthy that are vegetarians / raw fooders
OKinawans eat plenty of fish and pork and cook a good amount of there food, i dont know of any group of people that live longer than the okinawans.
OKinawans eat plenty of fish and pork and cook a good amount of there food, i dont know of any group of people that live longer than the okinawans.
blackjack- Posts : 663
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I wonder what Dr. Oz did to his hair to go from a Norwood 1 back in 2002 to a Norwood Zero present time.
tonyj- Posts : 390
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blackjack wrote:show me a group of people that live long and healthy that are vegetarians / raw fooders
There aren't any groups of people (yet) that are solely vegan, but it is clear that the less animal-products and processed-foods you eat, the better health you are in.
misterE- Posts : 753
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tonyj wrote:I wonder what Dr. Oz did to his hair to go from a Norwood 1 back in 2002 to a Norwood Zero present time.
Maybe he followed his own advice.
misterE- Posts : 753
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CausticSymmetry wrote:The protein myth is China Study propaganda through and through. The science is so poor that only die-hard vegans will swallow it.
Let's take a look at one of the oldest civilizations, who subsisted on very large quantities of quality protein and plenty of saturated fat. The Aborigines of Australia are recognized to be the oldest living race of mankind. Little baldness was seen even in the very old.
This was documented by Weston A. Price back in the late 19 and 20th centuries with over 18,000 photographs taken.
The primitive races who did not engage in refined starches and sugars, thrived.
To be completely fair I seriously doubt that the AGA gene is present to any appreciable degree in that isolated gene pool.
That's the problem with saying this population eats this and doesn't have acne/MPB/heart disease/whatever. Usually the populations being used as an example are an isolated group (Inuit, Aboriginies, Okinwans, etc) so they probably don't have a very strong genetic disposition to whatever affliction is being studied. What would be interesting is if a white caucasian with a strong dispostion to acne/AGA was raised from birth by one of these fabled ethnicities.
baller234- Posts : 433
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
Also, keep in mind that if humans really were meant to eat more than 10% protein, then wouldn't human breast milk show that? If it were true that certain races of people were made to eat a high-animal product diet, then wouldn't caucasian women, inuit women, and aborigine women produce milk that had 30%, 50%, maybe even 70% protein? Why is it human milk is only 10% protein across the world?
Espio- Posts : 736
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Re: Dr. Oz: The Healthiest Diet!
i think humans do best anywhere from 10-20% protein..
fat is where its at! possibly higher in carbs depending on the person
but never vegan thats for dam sure.
fat is where its at! possibly higher in carbs depending on the person
but never vegan thats for dam sure.
blackjack- Posts : 663
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Can Low-Protein, High-Carbohydrate Diets Be Healthy?
Although most of the diets described by Dr. Weston Price contained generous amounts of animal foods, a few were characterized by low levels of animal foods and a high carbohydrate intake. Several African groups consumed insects, small dried fish and shrimp, and small amounts of shrimp paste as their chief animal foods, with large amounts carbohydrates from tubers, grains, fruits like bananas, and vegetables. Natives of the high Andes consumed small amounts of animal foods in the form of Guinea pigs and dried seafood, particularly dried fish eggs, with large amounts of carbohydrates from potatoes and grains. Even the Swiss diet was relatively low in protein (milk has 2 percent of calories as protein, Swiss cheese has 23 percent of calories as protein) and high in carbohydrates from bread and milk. Protein intake may have been less than 10 percent in these diets, and carbohydrate intake in the range of 60 percent, yet these groups had excellent dental health and a high level of overall good health.
These healthy high-carbohydrate, low-protein diets have several factors in common. One is that the animal foods were of exceptional quality. Insects, dried fish, shrimp, fish eggs and butter from pasture-fed cows are all excellent sources of the fat-soluble activators. Secondly, the carbohydrate foods were usually fermented, a process that greatly increases nutrient values and makes minerals more available. Finally, these diets contained no refined or devitalized foods.
A low-protein, high carbohydrate diet is risky for those living in the industrialized world, where nutrient-dense animal foods like insects and fish eggs are avoided, where carbohydrate foods are not usually fermented, and where it is difficult to completely avoid refined and devitalized foods. Higher levels of animal foods in conjunction with quality animal fats supplying ample amounts of vitamins A and D, provide an extra measure of protection in western diets.
http://www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/176-adventures-in-macro-nutrient-land.html
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