Off Topic - Solution to Oil Spill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VfypUzx1tI

CS, is this being applied -at all- to any of the contamination sites?

If not, what's your opinion as to why it isn't? Who would be profiting from this?

action<reaction - As far as I know, which is very little they are not.

I remember vividly hearing about the oil eating microbes sometime in the 90's and sure enough found a video related to it.
I thought to myself, surely they would use something like this, wouldn't they?

a lot of the cleanup effort. Just a fact. The EPA is a bunch of boobs and have to approve everything before it's tried. It's absurd.

Been watching this very close. From my understanding the oil eating microbes can't be used due to the toxic Corexit dispersant.

http://www.infowars.com/toxic-corexit-dispersant-chemicals-remained-secret-as-feds-colluded-with-big-business/

http://www.propublica.org/ion/blog/item/In-Gulf-Spill-BP-Using-Dispersants-Banned-in-UK

Appears that BP won't use anything beyond dispersant. One reason is it's relationship with the company Nalco who makes the dispersant. Another reason is BP's liability is low. If you do the math BP will hit the mark no problem. Therefore, might as well forgot about real solutions to the environment and the health of those in New Orleans from toxic fumes and those who will consume the seafood in the future and instead get your business partners rich ... chemical dispersant companies such as Nalco.

Not to mention BP's relationship with Rahm Emanuel and donating the most money to get Obama elected means we are very soft on BP. In the end, the US tax payer dollars will clean this up as well as many workers who will get ill for decades.

Too bad we have turned our country into Nigeria through greed and ignorance.

Insofar as the spill is concerned, there are plenty of skimmers that can operate in eight-ft waves that could have, if deployed in sufficient numbers, have skimmed off the oil from the surface (i.e. without relying on dispersants which essentially just hide the problem under-water).

Why were one hundred of those devices not deployed on standby within three days sailing along with tenders plus if necessary inflating bags to temporarily hold the oil.

Those “mothers” can pick up 5,000 barrels of oil a day; and they can be dragged around using a GPS mandated routing controlled from the air.

In a word they were not built.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/36395/

Although to be fair there were some skimmers (less effective than the ones not built) available in Holland, UK, and Norway, and they were offered. But the offer of help was rejected by both the Obama Administration (on a government to government level), and by BP.

http://mayrantandrave.com/..

It’s hard to imagine why the Obama administration refused assistance; it’s almost as if they wanted the situation to become worse. Or perhaps it was because of the Jacobs Law which mandates that all of the oil-service vessels operating in the Gulf of Mexico; must have been made in America.

http://commonsensewonder.blogspot.com/..

I live in South Louisiana and have many friends in the oil industry (although I myself don't work it). 90% of the problem from my conversations with oil people is the FED's. Gov. Bobby Jindal, Senator David Vitter, etc. agree with that assertion.

The Army Corps of Engineers wouldn't give the state of Louisiana permission to build sand berms to protect the coastal marshlands until a month and a half after this thing started even though the governor and various Parish presidents on the coast were begging the FEDs for that permission and funding.

It is the relationship between Big Oil and the Obama administration that accounted for the slow response. The MMS(even Obama admitted, but obviously didn't try to clean up) has been corrupt for some time(was stacked during Bush years). Which accounted for the fast track of the permit.

We know BP doesn't give a shit about people or the environment, but what I don't understand is why BP wouldn't insure there oil and profits by investing in better equipment. Not to mention already having a releif solution ready like the Canadians and Japanese do when they drill.

And we know this is definitley not a "real" disaster recovery response. The booms and stuff are ineffective. The dispersant is only making a bad situation worse. Also, the date for stoppage keeps getting pushed back.

This is what happens when you let political officials take money from Big Business. Why do we pay taxes to staff these agencies with OIl execs, just to get raped? It's like having your house robbed and then the perps beating the crap out of you for fun. It's like paying for a meal and having the staff deliberately ruin it for you. It's like saving for your vacation, only to have your vacation destination destroyed.

People say Feds and stuff like they are some real separate nonhuman entity. The Feds are bought by Big Business to do the bidding of Big Business. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter. Money has the last say on what gets done. The biggest illusion is to divide people on partisan fantasy issues and distract them from the real problem. Corruption of government and possibly the furthering of agendas by those at the top.

Don't worry though, it will probably get worse as nobody in government is man enough to take a stand and clean house.

Jocko59 wrote:I live in South Louisiana and have many friends in the oil industry (although I myself don't work it). 90% of the problem from my conversations with oil people is the FED's. Gov. Bobby Jindal, Senator David Vitter, etc. agree with that assertion.

Hey Jocko, Im in South Louisiana also, Lafayette. Where are you from?

I do work in the oil industry and have been for the last decade (IT). Its what keeps the stretch from New Orleans to Houston alive and stable in this horrible economy. Up until now, Louisiana has hardly been touched by the recession of the past year and a half. There will be some serious jobs lost if Obama's moratorium gets pushed through. There has also been a media blackout with the spill. Only selected images/video have been allowed to be shown on tv. I have a friend that was vacationing in Gulf Shores, AL last week and the day he left was the day a sheet of oil hit the beach. It is alot worse than the media has made it out to be- and will get much worse over the next few months.

So, I'm just down the interstate from you.

Excellent article in Rolling Stone magazine detailing the sequence of events leading to this "situation".


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0

Despite conservative BP and government figures, the flow rate of oil into the Gulf has been 4 to 5 millions gallons per day. These figures are retroactive to April 20.

Nearly 300 million gallons of oil have spilled into the Gulf.

Oil is not even the worst part of it, nor even the toxic chemicals being dumped on the oil. The worst part is the deadly toxins rising from the earth -- Hydrogen Sulfide, Benzene, Methalene Chloride. These chemicals can seriously sicken those exposed to them by winds from the Gulf. And just imagine if a hurricane spreads the chemicals inland?

This is the worst environmental disaster in history, and its potential catastrophe is second only to nuclear war.

The situation is MUCH worse than is being reported...

LOL yeah ok. There is a unbiased source with their ear to the situation.

Jocko59 wrote:LOL yeah ok. There is a unbiased source with their ear to the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgJHE8pQQDE



Note the cloudiness/gas in the video as well. As has been said elsewhere, "who is going to stand trial if a bubble comes up and wipes out n square miles of life?

At a ratio of 3k:1 it isn't oil you need to worry about..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2RxIQP0IBU

H2S is some nasty stuff. If you are able to smell it, you are already dead.

Never ceases to amaze me how low these scumbags will go.



By David Edwards
Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 -- 9:49 am
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Speaking on MSNBC's "Countdown" Monday night, Marine toxicologist Riki Ott alleged that oil giant BP is actively attempting to curb coverage of the recent oil spill by removing pelican blue Expert suggests BP is hiding oiled animal carcasses

Speaking on MSNBC's "Countdown" Monday night, Marine toxicologist Riki Ott alleged that oil giant BP is actively attempting to curb coverage of the recent oil spill by removing oiled animal carcasses from Gulf beaches.

"Turtle watch volunteers who walk the beaches consistently every morning at 6:00 a.m., they're saying the carcasses are disappearing," Ott told host Keith Olbermann. "People who walk the beaches at night, they've seen little baby dolphins wash up dead, flashlights, people descend out of nowhere, carcass gone in 15 minutes. There's reports from offshore of massive kills on the barrier islands from fishermen who have been working on the spill response... BP's response has been to use metal detectors to keep and prevent the people from even taking cell phones out to photograph this."

While at first glance, Ott's claims might seem conspiratorial, myriad reports have fingered BP's role in attempting to silence coverage of the spill's effects. Over the weekend, reports signaled that BP had hired private security contractors to guard some Gulf coast beaches.

"I've been able to get some pictures of BP raking up bird carcasses, separating heads from bodies," Ott said later in the interview. "Supposedly, NOAA is saying, oh, these carcasses are all going to be autopsied so we can determine cause of death. You`re not going to autopsy a carcass where the head is removed from the body. So, in my opinion, there's a very strong attempt, not only to control and minimize how much oil was spilling, but now, to control the evidence of the damage, the appearance of carcasses."

"It's not just tar balls that are washing ashore," Ott added. "It's the invisible oil, the underwater plume that's coming ashore, it's surface oil, and it's also these vapors."
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The oil slick resulting from the Apr. 20 spill -- which transpired after an offshore oil right burst into flames and sunk into the sea -- has also endangered pelicans, including the brown pelican, Louisiana's state bird.

The brown pelican was reintroduced into the bay in 1968, after coming close to extinction.

AFP noted earlier this month that once coated with oil, the birds can hardly move. Some struggle in vain, others stop breathing and simply die.





http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0615/expert-suggests-bp-hiding-oiled-animal-carcasses/

If you could only link The Nation and Mother Jones magazine then you would have all the bases covered, lol.

Maybe you can get your Oil Buddies to help me with the TRUE story, huh?

DM5 - I heard the same thing from someone from the inside. He explained that the leak cannot be capped because the result would be even more dangerous. The pressure would be so immense, it would create huge problems. He cannot confirm, but he believes that the oil is already leaking in other places.

CS, he's absolutely correct

See this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2RxIQP0IBU

The notion that there is a leak well beneath the well cap (something like more than 1k feet below the surface of the sea floor) is one that has been gaining steam for a good while. I'm not sure if anyone here visits a site called theoildrum.com, but that place is probably the best source of news and opinion on the matter, or at least the best one I have come across.

Here is an amazing comment in the open thread following a news post from a few days ago: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

In a nutshell, it outlines how the leak is far below the surface, and that the leaking oil from these leaks is eroding away the structures that hold the well in place. This erosion of the concrete support structures would eventually lead to a full structural failure of the well, as the pipe itself will be the only thing left supporting the massive blowout preventer.

This comment in the open forum is as enlightening as it is terrifying, and one that is definitely worth reading for anyone who is following this spill. The comments are closed in that open thread, but there are more in newer news posts, and it is worth reading every single news post, with its open thread, from the linked post on. On the top o the page, there is a link to the next story, there is one on that top of that page for the one after that, and so on.

There is a growing notion that if we do not get those relief wells in place before too much of the concrete well casing erodes away, we are in for a worst case scenario like no one outside of the innermost circle regarding this spill could imagine.

Here is another comment, one in response to the dougr comment I linked above. It's a compelling argument against the doomsday theory, and provides a fair amount of added information.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6594#comment-649179

ROV cams from BP
http://mxl.fi/bpfeeds2/

Air tests from the Louisiana coast reveal human health threats from the oil disaster
The media coverage of the BP oil disaster to date has focused largely on the threats to wildlife, but the latest evaluation of air monitoring data shows a serious threat to human health from airborne chemicals emitted by the ongoing deepwater gusher.

Today the Louisiana Environmental Action Network released its analysis of air monitoring test results by the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA's air testing data comes from Venice, a coastal community 75 miles south of New Orleans in Louisiana's Plaquemines Parish.

The findings show that levels of airborne chemicals have far exceeded state standards and what's considered safe for human exposure.

For instance, hydrogen sulfide has been detected at concentrations more than 100 times greater than the level known to cause physical reactions in people. Among the health effects of hydrogen sulfide exposure are eye and respiratory irritation as well as nausea, dizziness, confusion and headache.

The concentration threshold for people to experience physical symptoms from hydrogen sulfide is about 5 to 10 parts per billion. But as recently as last Thursday, the EPA measured levels at 1,000 ppb. The highest levels of airborne hydrogen sulfide measured so far were on May 3, at 1,192 ppb.

Testing data also shows levels of volatile organic chemicals that far exceed Louisiana's own ambient air standards. VOCs cause acute physical health symptoms including eye, skin and respiratory irritation as well as headaches, dizziness, weakness, nausea and confusion.

Louisiana's ambient air standard for the VOC benzene, for example, is 3.76 ppb, while its standard for methylene chloride is 61.25 ppb. Long-term exposure to airborne benzene has been linked to cancer, while the EPA considers methylene chloride a probable carcinogen.

Air testing results show VOC concentrations far above these state standards. On May 6, for example, the EPA measured VOCs at levels of 483 ppb. The highest levels detected to date were on April 30, at 3,084 ppb, following by May 2, at 3,416 ppb.

Here's a chart based on the data from LEAN's analysis, which was done by award-winning analytical chemist Wilma Subra:

http://www.southernstudies.org/2010/05/air-tests-from-the-louisiana-coast-reveal-human-health-threats-from-the-oil-disaster.html

"average lifespan of a person who did cleanup on the Exxon Valdez is 51 years old."

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/cnn-gulf-residents-say-chemicals-almost-all-exxon-valdez-cleanup-workers-are-now-dead



"Corexit/oil eats through boat hulls, kidneys"

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/g4-corexitoil-eats-through-boat-hulls-kidneys-photosvideo