Cayenne/Capsaicin (yeah, again)

Ok, so I bought a bottle of capsaicin 40,000 heat units that are formulated to be "cool in the stomach." Now I see there's a doctor, Richard Shulze who says it won't do any good if you don't actually put the cayenne directly into your mouth. I hardly can bear the thought of putting cayenne directly into my mouth/mixing it in a drink and trying to drink it the suggested 3 times a day. Does anybody do this and do you think that taking the capsules is as worthless as this doc says it is? He seems to be rather an ass, but he could be an ass who knows what he's talking about and I don't want to dismiss it without checking it out. Irregardless, I am rather impressed as to what I have read that capsaicin can do for increasing circulation so I want to try to find a way to incorporate it into my regimen. I figure it can only help on the hair front. Thoughts?

So "check it out." You didn't need to start a new thread for that, Missy.

Cayenne pepper has been discussed here and at other forums, ad nauseum: putting some directly in your mouth, will set that pretty lil' tongue of yours on fire and cause your eyes to water; consuming large quantities of it (450 mg. or higher a day), will accelerate hair loss in men suffering from MPB.

The Natural wrote:So "check it out." You didn't need to start a new thread for that, Missy.

Cayenne pepper has been discussed here and at other forums, ad nauseum: putting some directly in your mouth, will set that pretty lil' tongue of yours on fire and cause your eyes to water; consuming large quantities of it (450 mg. or higher a day), will accelerate hair loss in men suffering from MPB.

Missy? Are you serious? My pretty lil' tongue? How do you know my tongue is pretty? Maybe I have a big fat cow tongue and I drool out the side of my mouth. Don't make me reach throught this computer and slap you silly!

But seriously--I HAVE been checking it out. I started this thread here b/c I am just hoping someone smarter than me will weigh in with their opinion--you should view that I posted it here as a compliment as I feel there is a large collection of highly intelligent people on THIS particular site--therefore, when I want answers re particular supplements, my first inclination is to post here. I'm sure that taking it in the mouth is more effective that the caps, but, my point--I don't really want to and I want to know if anybody has had luck with the caps and/or just how much less effective is it when taken that way. Maybe nobody on this site takes it because most of you here are men and are convinced it will accelerate your hair loss, as you said.

450mg is not high! 40.000 Heat units is 0.25% so every 450mg capsule has about 1.125mg capsaicin . In the Study with possitive results they used 6mg capsaicin. To reproduce the study you will need 5-6 capsules per day together with soy isoflavones

number364 wrote:450mg is not high! 40.000 Heat units is 0.25% so every 450mg capsule has about 1.125mg capsaicin . In the Study with possitive results they used 6mg capsaicin. To reproduce the study you will need 5-6 capsules per day together with soy isoflavones

Well that just burns my ass (ha ha)--the deception about exactly how much capsaicin is in each capsule--good to know, thank you. Yeah, CS told me about the study with the capsaicin and soy isoflavones yesterday but I am unwilling to ingest soy. I am using capsaicin more to improve my circulation in combo with Gingko rather than fight DHT in particular. I have a whole host of other supps and products I am using to fight DHT.

number364 wrote:450mg is not high! 40.000 Heat units is 0.25% so every 450mg capsule has about 1.125mg capsaicin . In the Study with possitive results they used 6mg capsaicin. To reproduce the study you will need 5-6 capsules per day together with soy isoflavones

And I am telling you Huckleberry, taking more than 450 mg. of cayenne pepper (let alone "5 or 6 capsules," heaven forbid!) will accelerate the hair loss of MPB sufferers. This, I know from personal experience, as well as, from reading the posts of others.

I second The Natural. Taking too much cayenne (which is really easy to do) is pretty bad for hair. The study on IGF-1 used a mere 6 mg.

Myself and others have taken lots of cayenne and it accelerated hair loss. Studies show that it promotes hair loss. 6 mg provides a hormesis effect, but beyond that, it is risky.

It's probably the one single natural supplement that can cause hair loss that I've ever come across.

I took large amounts of cayenne because the research supported binding of TRPV1 and reduction of neurogenic inflammation, however taking it orally did just the opposite, it accelerated neurogenic inflammation.

Topically, I found the opposite effect (it reduces the itch), although it was not that effective for hair loss itself.

u missed my point. regardless of what capsaicin will do to hair , i wanted to point out that 6mg of it is contained in 5 to 6 capsules of 450mg cayenne pepper. 40000 HU means 0.25% . Thats because 16milion HU is 100% pure capsaicin.simple maths. so each 450mg capsule has a little over 1mg . And the only study we have is about capsaicin and isoflavones combined . I havent found a study that shows what cayenne alone does to hair. Anecdotal is fine but i put a bit more of my trust in actual
in-vivo studies.

numbers,

I, unfortunately, know of no other source of capsaicin, than cayenne pepper. And what, I feel, is relevant to this discussion is whether one should consume cayenne pepper in "large" quantities.

In time, you will learn to believe (trust) personal testimonies from forum posters more than "actual in-vivo studies" conducted by people whom you have never met (online or otherwise).

TN

For what it's worth, my last experiment with cayenne used 100,000 STU capsules and I took a minimum of six per day. It took my hair a real turn for the worst.

well i aint tryin capsaicin anyway because the igf-1 upregulation goes against CR im practicing . CS ,man , u tool a lot of it!

I drink cayenne pepper in water. Less than a teaspoon. How many mg of capsicum would that be? Am I taking too much? I've been doing this for a while and haven't noticed any increase shed or decrease. I also use it topically and I like doing that a lot as it's caused new vellus hairs and like CS said, it takes away the itch and makes my scalp feel healthier.

Yank - Yes, topically is a different story. I have found it to feel good (although it can spill in the wrong places sometimes). No negatives topically.

how about how much im taking internally? i use 35,000 iu (of heat??) organic cayenne.

Ok, thank you for sharing your experience so others like me dont waste time on something that doesnt work.

I was about to purchase cayenne after i read about the soy/cayenne combination from this link: http://www.hairloss-research.org/soy-cayennecombination-08.html

But, many here seem to have experienced a negative effect from using this. Now, I have to research this more and find more positive (if it exists) evidence that it would work before I try it. Thanks for your forewarning.

That website has it's own hair loss regimen, similar in some ways and very different in others to the IH regimen: http://www.hairloss-research.org/ProtocolMen08.html anyone here got any comment on this regimen?

CS - The Natural :

How do we know if the shed people have tended to experience on cayenne/soy is nothing but a normal shed induced by a new treatment, like when one starts finasteride or minox etc ? The Natural, you say you have read several personal testimonials on cayennne, but has any of them lasted for several months ?

CS- I remember you saying resveratrol/curcumin is working in the same way. Is what you mean that curcmin/resv increases dermal IGF-1 ?

Ok, so I tried Cayenne mixed with coconut oil and mustard oils once with each as a topical, and massaged it in. Next day, hair shafts at my forehead (ie, front) broke when I massaged them. Not that they are thin already at that place, and that the shafts broke, and not the complete hair got pulled out. Just reporting, not sure if this was necessarily caused by Cayenne, or that it's necessarily a bad thing.

9r5

Made a typo in the above post, correcting-

Please note that the hair shafts at the front are thinner than at other places, and that the shafts broke, but the complete hair did not get pulled out. Just reporting, not sure if this was necessarily caused by Cayenne, or that it's necessarily a bad thing.

not sure. i guess the cayenne could have maybe dried out the hairs or something... maybe try not leaving it in so long