The Hidden Wikipedia: How to Find Deleted Material about Nutritional Medicine

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Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, May 11, 2010

The Hidden Wikipedia:
How to Find Deleted Material about Nutritional Medicine
(OMNS, May 11, 2010) There is nothing quite like a paper trail, and Wikipedia has one. Consequently, you can read for yourself all the material that has been added, and then deleted.
For example: Wikipedia's page about Max Gerson, M.D., is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson . The doctor is widely known for the nutritional cancer therapy that bears his name. Gerson's principal biographer is his grandson, Howard Straus http://www.doctoryourself.com/gersonbio.htm . Mr. Straus tells the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service of some interesting experiences he has had with Wikipedia bias:
"Some years ago, on seeing that the pages for Dr. Max Gerson and the Gerson Therapy were only stubs (short place-holders with little information on them), I took it upon myself to flesh out the pages. I thought Wikipedia was fairly neutral on balance, so I put in all the information that I could, and kept it factual with references, citations, and literature links.
"Within a month, the following had happened:
"The information was labeled as "biased" and "unreliable" because I am Dr. Gerson's grandson and biographer. There appeared a big red flag at the top of the article labeling the articles neutrality "dubious." The photograph I posted was removed. Provable, referenced facts, with dates and places, all suddenly became "claims," even quotes from no less than Nobel Laureate Albert Schweitzer, M.D., who famously said: "I see in Dr. Max Gerson one of the most eminent geniuses in medical history." Dr. Schweitzer and his wife were patients of Dr. Gerson, making this a first-hand account from a rather reliable source.
"All my links, references and citations were removed. They were replaced by links to the American Cancer Society and National Cancer Institute, which offer only criticism of the Gerson Therapy. Even quotations from published scientific papers were removed. Attempts to rectify these actions were immediately overwritten.
"It's easy enough to show the progression of the pages, since Wikipedia displays former edits on request, dated and documented. One can verify this by clicking on the "History" tab at the top of the Max Gerson page, and looking at 2005 and before. My editing is archived at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.109.140.164 and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Howard_Straus
"A second Wikipedia page, specific to the Gerson Therapy, has been completely removed. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gerson_therapy&redirect=no . To see something of what happened, you can click the "History" tab here as well."
The OMNS adds just one other intriguing statement about Dr. Gerson's work that is probably too "unreliable" to be seen on Wikipedia:
"I know of one patient who turned to Gerson Therapy having been told she was suffering from terminal cancer and would not survive another course of chemotherapy. Happily, seven years later, she is alive and well. So it is vital that, rather than dismissing such experiences, we should further investigate the beneficial nature of these treatments." (H.R.H. Charles, Prince of Wales)
Max Gerson is not the only nutritionally-oriented physician whose work is slanted or censored at Wikipedia. Others include Matthias Rath, M.D., and Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D.
Matthias Rath, M.D.
Dr. Rath coauthored a number of papers with Linus Pauling. (1- They discussed high-dose vitamin therapy for cardiovascular disease. To see what is going on at Wikipedia concerning him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Matthias_Rath
Paul Anthony Taylor, a supporter of Dr. Rath, comments: "Instead of providing free access to the sum of all human knowledge, as is its supposed aim, Wikipedia would appear to be just another way of supporting the scientific, political and social status quo. In a sense, however, the game is already up for Wikipedia. The official exams watchdog in the UK, Ofqual, recently stated that schoolchildren should avoid it as it is not "authoritative or accurate" and in some cases "may be completely untrue" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/6943325/Schoolchildren-told-to-avoid-Wikipedia.html Believe it or not, one of Wikipedia's contributors is the CIA, and they are not just updating their own entries, either. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/16/2007049.htm When it comes to nutritional therapies, you won't currently find much of it on Wikipedia."
Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.
The Wikipedia page for this physician has been deleted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Cathcart
Why? Because Dr. Cathcart "does not meet notability criteria per WP:BIO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO " and "a quick google search shows up no reliable hits for this subject."
Indeed? It appears that someone was not looking. Orthopedic surgeon Robert F. Cathcart III is the inventor of the Cathcart Elliptical Orthocentric Endoprosthesis, a replacement hip-ball joint still in widespread use today after 37 years. http://www.orthomed.com/pros.pdf Some physicians report it to be superior to other similar devices. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2661497 That alone qualifies him as notable, and invalidates the deletion of his page at Wikipedia. In addition, Linus Pauling personally singled out Dr. Cathcart for recognition for his nutritional knowledge as early as 1978. (9)
Possibly, just possibly, the real reason Dr. Cathcart is deleted from Wikipedia has much more to do with his outspoken advocacy of very high doses of vitamin C to treat viral illnesses. http://www.doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html and either http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html or http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm
Here is all the deleted material on Dr. Cathcart: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Cathcart&action=history
Take a look and decide for yourself.
For More Information:
Max Gerson, M.D.
Complete bibliography of Dr. Gerson's publications: http://www.doctoryourself.com/bib_gerson.html
Extensive list of papers about the Gerson Therapy: http://www.doctoryourself.com/bib_gerson_therapy.html
For free access to a documentary on the Gerson Therapy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998
A review of this film, from J Orthomolecular Med, 2006: http://www.doctoryourself.com/gersonmovie.html
Additional Reading:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/gersontherapy.html
http://www.doctoryourself.com/charlotte.html
Matthias Rath, M.D.
Papers coauthored with Linus Pauling:
1. Rath M, Pauling L. Immunological evidence for the accumulation of lipoprotein(a) in the atherosclerotic lesion of the hypoascorbemic guinea pig. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1990 Dec;87(23):9388-90. PMID: 2147514
2. Rath M, Pauling L. Hypothesis: lipoprotein(a) is a surrogate for ascorbate. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1990 Aug;87(16):6204-7. Erratum in: Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1991 Dec 5;88(24):11588. PMID: 2143582
3. Rath M, Pauling L. Solution To the Puzzle of Human Cardiovascular Disease: Its Primary Cause Is Ascorbate Deficiency Leading to the Deposition of Lipoprotein(a) and Fibrinogen/Fibrin in the Vascular Wall. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 6, 3&4th Quarters, 1991, p 125.
4. Pauling L, Rath M. An Orthomolecular Theory of Human Health and Disease. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 6, 3&4th Quarters, 1991, p 135.
5. Rath M, Pauling L. Apoprotein(a) Is An Adhesive Protein. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 6, 3&4th Quarters, 1991, p 139.
6. Rath M, Pauling L. Case Report: Lysine/Ascorbate Related Amelioration of Angina Pectoris. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 6, 3&4th Quarters, 1991, p 144.
7. Rath M, Pauling L. A Unified theory of Human Cardiovascular Disease Leading the Way To the Abolition of This Diseases As A Cause for Human Mortality. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 7, First Quarter 1992, p 5.
8. Rath M, Pauling L. Plamin-induced Proteolysis and the Role of Apoprotein(a), Lysine and Synthetic Lysine Analogs. J Orthomolecular Med, Vol 7, First Quarter 1992, p 17.
Dr. Rath's Assessment of Wikipedia: http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/wiki_rath/how_the_facts_arent_welcome_on_wikipedia.html
Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.
Reference 9. Pauling L. Robert Fulton Cathcart, III, M.D., an orthomolecular physician. The Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine Newsletter, 1(4):1-3 Fall 1978. Free download of article: http://www.orthomed.com/PDF/pauling.pdf
Short biography of Dr. Cathcart: http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2008/cathcart.html His extensive website on vitamin C therapeutics: http://www.orthomed.com/ Bibliography of his publications with links to full-text articles: http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_cathcart.html


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Makes you feel sick that there is a conspiracy to limit people's information about alternative treatments for cancer patients, and real doctors and medicine gets censored. There really is something rotten at the core of Western society.

What do you think of Gerson Therapy CS? I can see the nutrients being a good thing but all of that juice must dump a ton of sugar in the body.

I don't know about this whole "rotten at the core of Western society" thing, but I agree there are some misguided people in the field.

Speaking of information cover ups regarding health, they even seem to be covering up governmental findings

http://www.naturalnews.com/028765_environmental_chemicals_cancer.html

sdguy wrote:What do you think of Gerson Therapy CS? I can see the nutrients being a good thing but all of that juice must dump a ton of sugar in the body.

I don't know about this whole "rotten at the core of Western society" thing, but I agree there are some misguided people in the field.

Gerson Therapy doesn't work as well as it used too these days because the Western population especially is highly mineral deficient. In earlier decades when it was used, the success rate was approximately 30%.

Also in terms of cancer diet per se, the diet is more dependent on the type of a cancer and the metabolic type of the person. Some cancers occur more readily in parasympathetic types, and others are more predominant in sympathetic types.

Eating a diet 100% raw meat offers a 95% success rate if done early enough--however that's a really unpopular way to go.

Cancer is best treated using multiple modalities, such as bicarbonate (via oral, inhaled and/or IV), magnesium oil, iodine, enzymes, HCL, glycoproteins, heavy metal detoxication. All cancers occur during a suppressed thyroid, and all cancers contain mercury.

Most cancers these days are caused from iatrogenic doctors and dentists. Root canals, mercury fillings, anti-biotics, fluoride in the water and toothpastes, doctors warning against use of iodine and to stay away from the sun, routine radiation (CT-SCANs), mammography and other radiologic scans all contribute to cancer.

Refined food is the poison icing on the cake.

Why do you guys think the government is doing all this?

Greed. The root cause of pretty well much all suffering in the world.

Never assume malice where ignorance and ineptness will suffice.

I don't really think this is the direct result of a conspiracy, but it's more a result of the average person being brainwashed by mainstream dogma.

I second crincrin, the ineptitude and ignorance is so profound, not to mention a lack of inceptive for "protective agencies" to investigate or question their policies.

Until enough of the public is aware, that will probably bring about a change, but I wonder if or when mercury will stop being placed in teeth, fluoride in dentistry, etc.

CS-

What is the best product to help the western society overcome the extreme mineral deficiency?

If you mean trace minerals, this is what I take with reverse osmosis water.

http://www.amazon.com/Liqumins-ConcenTrace-Trace-Mineral-8-Ounce/dp/B000AMUWLK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1273686900&sr=8-1

CausticSymmetry wrote:Most cancers these days are caused from iatrogenic doctors and dentists. Root canals, mercury fillings, anti-biotics, fluoride in the water and toothpastes, doctors warning against use of iodine and to stay away from the sun, routine radiation (CT-SCANs), mammography and other radiologic scans all contribute to cancer.

Refined food is the poison icing on the cake.

I thought so.

Also do u think GM foods and the stronger and stronger pesticides and insecticides which are creeping into our foods on an ever increasing basis are causing an increase in cancer incidences too?

Abhi wrote:


Also do u think GM foods and the stronger and stronger pesticides and insecticides which are creeping into our foods on an ever increasing basis are causing an increase in cancer incidences too?

In the infamous study called The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, he said that you can turn cancer on and off just by adjusting the level of protein in your diet. If you ask me the reason why we have so much cancer is the fact that we eat so much animal protein. Animal protein increases serum IGF-1 levels and serum IGF-1 is the most powerful cancer promoter yet discovered, it has a huge role in breast cancer and prostate cancer and even MPB.

Just watch TV. Look what "they" are trying to get us to eat: triple bacon cheeseburgers, all you can eat steak; they even have a sandwich at KFC that uses two pieces of fried chicken and the bread buns! It's obvious that all the meat, fat and cholesterol is what is causing these problems, it’s also why children are entering puberty faster and faster!

American pre-WWII use to eat out of their gardens, they just couldn't afford to eat meat all day every day. They ate mostly vegetables. Just ask your grandparents or some other elderly people, they will tell you they ate mostly veggies and very little meat. Now it is the opposite we eat more meat than we ever have and very little veggies...hell, it's cheaper to buy a cheeseburger off the dollar menu than it is to but a pound of broccoli, that ought to tell you right there that something’s wrong!

I am a vegetarian and so are my parents. The largest source of animal protein in our diet is milk and milk products. Pasteurized milk am afraid. Recently I have stopped having milk but eat curds made out of the milk which we buy. Something tells me it's a better option.

Abhi wrote:I am a vegetarian and so are my parents. The largest source of animal protein in our diet is milk and milk products. Pasteurized milk am afraid. Recently I have stopped having milk but eat curds made out of the milk which we buy. Something tells me it's a better option.

Heart disease is America's number one killer, taking as many lives as almost everything else combined. Every day, 3,000 Americans suffer from heart attacks, and more than 1,200 of them die. Those who don't die often suffer another heart attack later. Because we now know what causes heart attacks, we can prevent them.

Since the early 1970s, study after study after study has implicated cow's milk and other dairy products as a cause of heart disease and clogged arteries. One researcher, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn from the Cleveland Clinic (the top-rated heart clinic in the U.S.), makes people "heart attack-proof" by putting them on a vegan diet (check out his groundbreaking paper in the American Journal of Cardiology, August 99).

It's not just the fat and cholesterol in dairy products, but also the animal protein and milk carbohydrates that are linked to heart disease, as the following studies show:

"International statistics indicate that there is a close correlation between the consumption of saturated fats (dairy fats and meat fats) and the mortality from coronary heart disease, and this conception has been confirmed by many epidemiological studies," concluded a study published in Circulation, a journal of the American Heart Association. "Practically total replacement of dairy fats by vegetable oils in the diets … was followed by a substantial reduction in the mortality of men from coronary heart disease. Total mortality also appeared to be reduced." (1)

In a study published in the International Journal of Cardiology, researchers studied seven countries with a high consumption of dairy products and found that heart disease mortality rose as milk supply rose. (2)

In a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, researchers wrote, "Much evidence suggests that high consumption of full-fat dairy products is likely to increase coronary heart disease risk" and noted that "there are strong reasons to believe that a causal association does exist." (3)

Researchers who studied dietary links to heart disease in 32 countries found that, of all dietary factors studied, milk carbohydrates played the biggest role in the development of heart disease in men over 35, and nonfat milk played the biggest role in the development of coronary heart disease in men over 45. (4)

Researchers studying 19 Western countries concluded that heart disease mortality rises as consumption of milk protein rises. The researchers noted, "Multiple regression analysis confirmed the importance of the milk factor … as a determinant of variation in ischemic heart disease mortality rates." (5)

"Milk consumption is related to arteriosclerosis," confirmed yet another group of researchers. "Recent landmark studies confirm a previously suspected close correlation between milk intake and arteriosclerotic heart disease."(6)

A study of food consumption and heart disease in 24 countries concluded, "Direct, linear, and reasonably accurate correlation has been found between coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality rates and the consumption of unfermented milk proteins-namely the protein content of all dairy products with the only important exception of cheese." (7)

"It is clear that saturated fats, mainly dairy fats, are closely associated with the mortality rate from ischaemic heart disease," wrote researchers in the Journal of Internal Medicine. (

In a study published in Nutrition, Metabolism, and Cardiovascular Disease, researchers wrote, "a reduction in meat and dairy products … will decrease other cardiovascular risk factors, particularly cholesterol and glucose intolerance. This healthier diet will reduce cardiovascular disease and is similar to the diet now being advocated for the prevention of some forms of cancer." They also noted, "Diet is by far the most important environmental factor determining our longevity, and for those who wish to live longer, a change in diet as early in life as possible will have substantial effects." (9)

In a study published in The Lancet, researchers comparing heart disease death rates with food intake found that the highest correlation was with milk. "Changes in milk-protein consumption, up or down, accurately predicted changes in coronary deaths four to seven years later." The researchers noted that their analysis "strongly supports" previous conclusions that milk is the principle dietary culprit in hardened, narrowed arteries and that the problematic portion of milk is its protein, not its fat. (10)

A study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology found that butter and milk consumption had a positive correlation with heart disease. (11)

A study that compared coronary death rates with food intakes in 21 countries found that the food most highly correlated with coronary deaths was milk. (12)

"Both cholesterol and saturated fat in your diet may increase blood levels of cholesterol and increase the formation of plaque (blockages) in your arteries," says Dr. Dean Ornish of the University of California at San Francisco, who has demonstrated that artery blockages can be reversed with a low-fat vegan diet instead of expensive and invasive surgeries. "[One] might consider switching from nonfat milk to nonfat soy milk, as I have done. This will give you a double benefit: Soy milk has no cholesterol, and soy products may actually lower your blood cholesterol levels."

The world-renowned health advisor to President Clinton, Dr. John McDougall concurs: "The wisest way to prevent tragedies from a defective blood vessel system is to deal with the cause: Your first-line therapy should be a low-fat, no-cholesterol diet."



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2 J. Segall, "Dietary Lactose as a Possible Risk Factor for Ischaemic Heart Disease: Review of Epidemiology," International Journal of Cardiology, 46, No. 3 (1994), 197-207.

3 Lawrence Kushi, Elizabeth Lenary, and Walter Willette, "Health Implications of Mediterranean Diets in Light of Contemporary Knowledge: Plant foods and Dairy Products." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (suppl.), 61 (1995), 1407S-1415S.

4 William Grant, "Milk and Other Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease," Alternative Medicine Review, 3, No. 4 (1998), 281-294.

5 R. Popham, W. Schmidt, and Y. Israel, "Variation in Mortality From Ischemic Heart Disease in Relation to Alcohol and Milk Consumption," Medical Hypotheses, 12, No. 4 (1983), 321-329.

6 P. Rank, "Milk and Arteriosclerosis," Medical Hypotheses, 20, No. 3 (1986), 317-338.

7 S. Seely, "Diet and Coronary Disease: A Survey of Mortality Rates and Food Consumption Statistics of 24 Countries," Medical Hypotheses, 7, No. 7 (1981), 907-918.

8 S. Renaud and M. de Lorgeril, "Dietary Lipids and Their Relation to Ischaemic Heart Disease: From Epidemoiology to Prevention," Journal of Internal Medicine (suppl.), 225, No. 731 (1989), 39-46.

9 G. MacGregor, "Nutrition and Blood Pressure," Nutrition, Metabolism, and Cardiovascular Disease, 9, No. 4 (1999), 6-15.

10 M. Moss and D.L.J. Freed, “Survival Trends, Coronary Event Rates, and the MONICA Project,” The Lancet 354 (1999): 862.

11 A. Menotti, D. Kromhout, H. Blackburn, F. Fidanza, R. Buzina, and A. Nissinen, "Food Intake Patterns and 25-Year Mortality from Coronary Heart Disease: Cross-Cultural Correlations in the Seven Countries Study," European Journal of Epidemiology, 15, No. 6 (1999), 507-515.

12 S. Seely, "Diet and Coronary Heart Disease: A Survey of Female Mortality Rates and Food Consumption Statistics of 21 Countries," Medical Hypotheses, 7, No. 9 (1981), 1133-1137.

very interesting post misterE , thank you!
I am looking forward to hearing CS' view on the issues you raise.

NrwgnKID - As misterE mentioned in the thread below, which mentions that study between heart disease and hair loss, we can agree to disagree on the saturated fat factor and also of raw milk, which I believe is safe for most, and some with hair.

https://immortalhair.forumotion.com/natural-hair-regrowth-f1/a-closer-look-at-atherosclerosis-heart-disease-t3289.htm

Regarding the China study, there are some problems. The main one is that much of the evidence on diets is of epidemiological in nature and is not physiologically based (blood chemistry), nor does the work control for different ancestries.

It is written with a pro-vegetarian viewpoint. For people like myself, my health took a dive on a 100% vegan diet. What occurs for some is Ragland's sign (hypotensive effects/low blood pressure/dizzines), adrenal fatigue, poor ejaculate. I simply did not feel well until I returned to meat. In the mid-90's I absorbed a lot of pro-vegan material and found it was not optimal for my personal biochemistry. It wasn't until years later that I understood why.

In addition, many patients I have seen have not done well on vegetarianism. Some do well, but it is not meant for some. Many physicians have independently observed that some ill patients did not make a recovery until they adopted an animal based diet.
I know of one doctor who refuses to treat patients for heavy metal detoxification if they are vegan, because without the right kind of protein, they do not get well.

Greenland Eskimos traditionally ate a very high fat, high meat diet. They become diabetic quite easily when they reduce their protein and up their carbs.

Here are some other critical opinions of the China Study.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=385

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-China-Study-by-T.-Colin-Campbell.html

My final piont is that different people thrive on different diets. I believe it depends on which branch on the AIS (autonomic nervous system) one falls under.

I think the lack of iodine played a huge role on this.
iodine relives hardened cholesterol in humans =]

Thanks for such a great response CS, its interesting to hear both sides of the matter. But I guess there is no squared answer to diet. One has to find what suits ones metabolic type. Myself, I do much better after increasing my intake of meat and fat, and eliminating bread and milk from my diet.

CS - do you know if there is done any studies on differences in eating habits among animals within the same specie in nature ?

NrwgnKID wrote: do you know if there is done any studies on differences in eating habits among animals within the same specie in nature ?

Monkeys; are closest relative, feed on mostly fruits and vegetables, and in the winter months they eat nuts and seeds. I've never seen a pack of monkeys chasing down a animal and eating it. Have you?

Humans are supposed to be fueled by starch! Our entire anatomy says so. Amylase, the most abundant enzyme in our saliva and digestive system, is used for breaking down starch into sugar!

Here is an interesting debate, you can view it on this link below. This is between Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University, author of The China Study and Dr. Loren Cordain Professor, Department of Health & Exercise Science, Colorado State University, author of The Paleo Diet—make their competing cases for the role of dietary protein in health and disease.

http://www.cathletics.com/articles/index.php?show=shorty&shortyID=50

Click on the section at the bottom that says:

Download Article as PDF

Monkeys seemingly get their energy from low-fat sources. However and in contrast to humans monkeys and all other mammal herbivores have stomachs that functions as ”fermentation factories” that ferments carbohydrates into saturated fats which are used as energy.

Excerpt from http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/should-all-animals-eat-a-high-fat-low-carb-diet.html below.

”On the face of it, therefore, it looks as if gorillas eat a very low-fat, high protein diet. But things aren't as clear cut as that.
No mammal — not even the herbivores — has developed an enzyme that will digest vegetable fibre. This is why we tend to discount it when calculating our calorie intakes. However, while mammals have not developed an enzyme that will digest fibre, there are lots of micro-organisms and bacteria that can the job for them. The herbivores employ billions of these bacteria.
In a herbivore such as the gorilla, the caecum and colon harbour huge colonies of bacteria which ferment carbohydrates, particularly fibre, and use it to produce short chain fatty acids (SCFA) — principally acetic, proprionic and butyric acids. These are then absorbed into the body to be used as a source of energy.
If we look at the gorilla's diet, we now see that the authors of the study into the western lowland gorilla's diet find that the fibre provides some 1.5 kcals of energy per gram of fibre, in the form of SCFA. As the fibre averages about three-fourths of the gorilla's diet, this energy forms a highly significant proportion of the gorilla's total energy intake.
These SCFAs must be added to the fats already present in the gorilla's diet, which gives us the following proportions:(...)
This gives totals of:
• protein = 24.3%
• carbs = 15.8%
• fats = 59.8%
In other words, although the western lowland gorilla's diet, exclusively of leaves, looks like a very low-fat, carbohydrate-rich diet, it is actually a high-fat, moderate-protein, low-carb diet.

See also page/part 2 in which this is extended to all mammal herbivores and where the conclusion is:

"Conclusion
If we look at the various natural diets of all mammals, we find the same pattern: All of the diets are high in fat, and most of that fat is saturated as, apart from the saturated fats found in meat, all the short chain fatty acids produced by fermentative bacteria are 100% saturated. Also, all mammals' natural diets are very low in carbohydrate in the case of herbivores, and practically carbohydrate free in the case of carnivores.

There is no reason to suppose that we 'civilised' humans should eat any differently. "

Mister E, what do you think about what KL said?

teacup wrote:Mister E, what do you think about what KL said?

I agree with what is said. And it is true for humans as well, but does that mean we should eat saturated-fat all day long, or should we let our bodies make what it needs?

This proves my point even further when I say: "the human body makes all the saturated and monounsaturated-fat it would ever need, the only fats humans must attain in the diet is the omega-3 and omega-6 essential fatty-acids"!

Once again saturated-fat and monounsaturated fat are not needed by the body because the body makes all the saturated-fat and monounsaturated-fat it would ever need on its own. The only fat it cannot make by itself is the omega-3 and omega-6 ESSENTIAL fatty acids. They are called “essential” for a reason!