Does DHT promote bone growth?

I need to be clear on this - true or false?

ITITCHES - DHT is needed for bone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19732831

Funny you should say that because the skull expansion theory I'm sure most of us here are familiar with is based on DHT-induced - well - skull expansion.

What I'm interested is how this correlates with calcium, and here's something I've found:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x766445r60864025/

Now, this becomes very interesting when you examine the following:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0889-5406(94)70121-0
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00016357409002553?cookieSet=1&journalCode=ode

Also, look here:

https://immortalhair.forumotion.com/natural-hair-regrowth-forum-f1/my-hairline-is-getting-crazy-t1501-105.htm

I know a few others are trying papain and Gibson has switched to bromelain. I can't speak for the others but I am doing papain daily internally for digestive support and also (with serrapeptase as well) to break down calcium deposits, fibrotic tissue, etc.

Thanks, Cue! I am pretty certain the bump must have been a calcium deposit. Would never have guessed that were it not for Prague's theory. That deposit is very clearly gone now or at least it have dispersed.

Furthermore, I've suffered a severe shed recently that I attribute to increased meat intake and subsequent acidity. As I understand, high acidity causes calcium deposits. Here, for example, I read that calcium deposits come from our own bones, so it's a form of a calcium reflux:

http://www.sugaraddictions.com/the-acid-alkaline-balance.htm

One of the first warning signs of an overly acid body is calcium deposits. There is no scientific proof of the association between calcium deposits and nutritional calcium. In fact quite the opposite is found in the results of testing calcium deposits in the body.

Calcium deposits come not from the dietary calcium but from the structural calcium leached from our bones and teeth due to an acid body. I feel its necessary to keep our body’s to the alkaline and that is dependent on what we eat and using a calcium our body can digest.

Here, we find another confirmation that our body will strip calcium from our bones to bring PH up:

http://www.actualcures.com/bone-loss-calcium-vitamin-d-ineffective-when-ph-less-than-7/

The body has many chemical mechanisms for keeping blood pH fairly constant at 7.35, including moving calcium and magnesium from bone to the blood stream.

This calcium is different in that the body will not absorb it again. Perhaps this is because it never has a chance to reach your stomach and become dissolved by the corresponding stomach acid/enzyme/whatever-it-is.

We know that DHT causes hair growth, but seeing as it causes bone growth, wouldn't it be plausible that it acts as a sort of a calcium magnet? In other words, if we have all this useless calcium in our blood stream, caused by high acidity, wouldn't it concentrate in high DHT areas, effectively causing calcium deposits?

In other words, could male pattern baldness essentially be a big developing calcium deposit?

Does this not cover what could be interpreted as skull expansion?


Also, ever heard of parathyroidism?

http://www.parathyroid.com/parathyroid-symptoms.htm

I know I never did, yet it seems to be a thyroid disorder stemming from hypercalcemia - or high level of calcium in blood. Here's the interesting part:

Symptoms of Parathyroid Disease:

Loss of energy. Don't feel like doing much. Tired all the time.
Just don't feel well; don't quite feel normal. Hard to explain but just feel kind of bad.
Feel old. Don't have the interest in things that you used to.
Can't concentrate, or can't keep your concentration like in the past.
Depression.
Osteoporosis and Osteopenia.
Bones hurt; typically it's bones in the legs and arms but can be most bones.
Don't sleep like you used to. Wake up in middle of night. Trouble getting to sleep.
Tired during the day and frequently feel like you want a nap.
Spouse claims you are more irritable and harder to get along with (cranky, bitchy).
Forget simple things that you used to remember very easily.
Gastric acid reflux; heartburn; GERD.
Decrease in sex drive.
Thinning hair (predominately in older females).
Kidney Stones.
High Blood Pressure (sometimes mild, sometimes quite severe; up and down a lot).
Recurrent Headaches (usually patients under the age of 40).
Heart Palpitations (arrhythmias). Typically atrial arrhythmias.

Ring any bells?

good post man. Ive read the skull expansion ebook and he really does dig pretty deep into that whole idea. Alot of it made sense too.

A forum member thinks papain topical removed a possible calcium depostit (lump) in his scalp.

my hair loss was pretty rapid at 17 and now at 23 my scalps is very lumpy, expecially where my hairline use to be.

If my hairloss came alot younger than normal than this bumpy scalp could well be calcium deposits. I use to eat alot of dairy growing up.

The "acidity factor" is not applicable to everyone. My diet for example thrives on extremely high meat intake. In fact without enough acidity, some can be prone to get kidney stones and osteoporosis. Adverse calcium deposition can result from an overly alkaline system, not necessarily an over acidic one. In other words, every one is different.

Key factors for proper calcium homeostasis are Magnesium intake, Vitamin D3, Vitamin K2, healthy glucose and insulin metabolization, and Omega 3 fatty acids.

In the study, the key phrase here is "DHT is more active when used for short periods of time and in early stages of bone development "

High acidity in the stomach during meals is very important since this keeps the lower gi alkaline which are equally important ..

High meat intake demands high acidity and enzymes to digest, which is why fruits and berries and meats is a classic food combination, or redwine and meat. Our pre-historic ancestors ate lotsa berries and meats together, and then alot of root vegetables with fresh herbs.

CausticSymmetry wrote:The "acidity factor" is not applicable to everyone. My diet for example thrives on extremely high meat intake. In fact without enough acidity, some can be prone to get kidney stones and osteoporosis. Adverse calcium deposition can result from an overly alkaline system, not necessarily an over acidic one. In other words, every one is different.

Perhaps in the case of chronic hypocalcemia and/or some sort of thyroid/parathyroid condition? In any case, the process surely can't be the same as alcalosis related osteoporosis.

Everyone may be different, but certain things happen at certain PH levels, isn't that so? I believe everyone thrives on a high-meat diet, but I can't imagine how anyone would thrive with the corresponding acidosis which is usually the result if you do not go out of your way to restore the balance - speaking of which, you're hardly an average joe. What I'm getting at is - are you sure your blood is on the acidic side? Perhaps, given your regimen, the meat simply just doesn't manage to acidify your blood?

Either way, acidity isn't really my focus here - calcium deposition is.

CausticSymmetry wrote:In the study, the key phrase here is "DHT is more active when used for short periods of time and in early stages of bone development "

That may be true of bone development - but we are talking about calcium deposition:

DHT causes hair growth - that much is apparent in that the vast majority of baldies have a lot of body hair. I believe it's only logical that it should cause scalp hair growth as well - which it in theory does. So what goes wrong? DHT - if it indeed is a 'calcium magnet', being so concentrated up there, in the process it inadvertently causes a huge calcium deposit that interferes with hair growth.

Apply this theory here and you've got something interesting:

http://www.alopeciaareatainfo.com/alopecia-areata-minoxidil-treatment.shtml

Minoxidil may also enhance hair growth by reducing the calcium influx in the cells. Calcium triggers off those epidermal growth factors that inhibit the growth of hair fibers. Minoxidil sulphate being a potassium channel opener induces the potassium ions to enter the cells and blocks the influx of calcium in the cells thereby facilitating hair growth.

That is not all - there seem to be a few more fire bells ringing -- calcium seems to be related to acne as well.:

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v124/n5/abs/5602810a.html

Abnormal follicular keratinization is involved in comedogenesis in acne vulgaris. We recently demonstrated that calcium influx into epidermal keratinocytes is associated with impaired skin barrier function and epidermal proliferation. Based on these results, we hypothesized that sebum components affect calcium dynamics in the keratinocyte and consequently induce abnormal keratinization.

cuebreeze wrote:my hair loss was pretty rapid at 17 and now at 23 my scalps is very lumpy, expecially where my hairline use to be.

One thing is for certain - my temples have 'swollen' considerably in the last few months or so, to the point where they are actually painful. I can literally feel a very hard protrusion - 'coincidentally' exactly where my hair used to be. it's as if my skull is actually changing shape. Not fun at all.

the papain mixture people on the forum are using has been reported to remove lumps in the scalp which they think may be calcium deposits. This papain topical may intrest you guys who think dht causnig bone growth is a problem. Sorry for such a short post but i also agree with bone growth (more so calcium deposits) as i am a young rapid balder and have very lumps skin/bone where my temples are. (never use to be like that before hair loss).

I know this is a rather old topic but find it interesting that pueraria mirifica lowers parathyroid hormone which means it regulates calcium and directs it to where it needs to grow. Also women in general tend to have smaller more juvenile shaped heads than men. Perhaps this is another reason that estrogen is protective of balding.

I would be dam curious to see the blood test of DHT in the people with MPB...and all the other hormones.