Unwanted MSM Side Effect

I just added MSM to my saggy skin regimen from minox side effects.. My regimen includes msm, hyaluronic acid, vitamin c, and monomethylsilanetriol/silica hasn't come in yet.

Anyways my skin is black and is losing pigmentation quickly. So then I found out that people use msm and vit c to lighten skin. I firmly believe this is the cause. Idk what to do anymore. If I drop the msm, will any of these other supplements continue to lighten my skin? I want to tighten not lighten.

On a side note, I'm thinking about just saving up for this radiofrequency device for skin tightening.

are you taking it internally or topically? I've taken MSM internally and in big doses and never noticed this

I'm all for taking Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) on occasion as needed, but if it's taken on a regular basis, it's going to strip the copper out, which means the melanin is out the window.

Been taking 10 grams (MSM) for about 10 years....just saying.

helpmyhair1 wrote:are you taking it internally or topically? I've taken MSM internally and in big doses and never noticed this

Internally

CausticSymmetry wrote:I'm all for taking Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) on occasion as needed, but if it's taken on a regular basis, it's going to strip the copper out, which means the melanin is out the window.

Been taking 10 grams (MSM) for about 10 years....just saying.

I never knew this. I was taking 1000 mg per day

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Been taking 10 grams (MSM) for about 10 years....just saying.

MSM got rid of my kidney stones, and a few of others I know on my recommandation.
Ususally 1 gram a day and the the stones are gone in 3 to 5 days.

To add another example, my sister`s friend refused to have a series of injections in the spine,
due to nerve pain possibly from an old injury,
Where she was told the injections could damage a nerve and paralyze her from the waist down.
Had problems sleeping etc.
After taking MSM for 2 months the pain was gone.

I take 1 gram daily.

CS
What would be the benefit of taking up to 10 grams daily.

I have so much health probs goin on. All my lab results come back normal but I know something is wrong. I think its copper or the b12 deficiency mimicing anemia. I even more paled than before.

young trunks wrote:I have so much health probs goin on. All my lab results come back normal but I know something is wrong. I think its copper or the b12 deficiency mimicing anemia. I even more paled than before.

I have same issue, pale, not feeling too great, and almost permanent headache borderline migraine. Blood work always fine.
Been like this for many years.

When "they" look at the blood - They are not looking at the whole picture.

Without getting into specifics, not using copper/iron correctly in the body.

Things that might help (magnesium and animal form Vitamin A)

TheOne wrote:

young trunks wrote:I have so much health probs goin on. All my lab results come back normal but I know something is wrong. I think its copper or the b12 deficiency mimicing anemia. I even more paled than before.

I have same issue, pale, not feeling too great, and almost permanent headache borderline migraine. Blood work always fine.
Been like this for many years.

Have you tried a good holistic doctor? The one I had taught me so much done extended tests to form my own protocol on recovery. However she passed and this was almost a decade ago now. And I can't afford to go to one right now but if I could I would.

CausticSymmetry wrote:I'm all for taking Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) on occasion as needed, but if it's taken on a regular basis, it's going to strip the copper out, which means the melanin is out the window.

Been taking 10 grams (MSM) for about 10 years....just saying.

Stripping the copper out? I never heard of this before. I don't think Linus Pauling would agree in this one. Do you have a source reference for this?
Btw I have been taking 25 grams a day of MSM for a while now.

fred wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:I'm all for taking Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) on occasion as needed, but if it's taken on a regular basis, it's going to strip the copper out, which means the melanin is out the window.

Been taking 10 grams (MSM) for about 10 years....just saying.

Stripping the copper out? I never heard of this before. I don't think Linus Pauling would agree in this one. Do you have a source reference for this?
Btw I have been taking 25 grams a day of MSM for a while now.

In this context, taking MSM will enhance some mineral uptake, so it's possible it may aid in keeping copper in check.
Also, while I've personally experienced the vitamin C stripping effect, it was long enough ago when I wasn't taking MSM.

The connect on this idea for continual basis of Vitamin C is in ascorbic acid form (not whole). Also, the specific way it purports to do this is by way of effecting (reducing) ceruloplasmin. Here's proper context below.

"There was a group of scientists that discovered the Ceruloplasmin protein in 1948 and they talked about how ascorbic acid is very destructive to this copper protein. The difficulty we are going to have is that most people have never heard of this protein and don't know how important it is. It is the biggest protein in the human body and has 8 copper groups inside of it.

There are over 25 different functions that this protein can express. One gene produces 1 protein, but it can do 25 different things. Most of them prevent iron oxidative stress. Ascorbic acid, sugar, antibiotics, and birth control bills are a major destroyer of ceruloplasmin. Then you have unbound copper which is “toxic” to as purported by most medical professionals. In reality, is not toxic, it is just unbound and it can be REBOUND.

Are we are anemic and copper toxic? There is a whole class of actions that practitioners recommend. Coffee enemas, ascorbic acid because it will block the absorption of copper, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. They are trying to have you get rid of this unbound copper and it is destructive to our metabolism because then we are faced with oxygen that can't be activated.

Copper has been demonized; it has been processed out of foods. That is why they have refined wheat because it gets rid of minerals and vitamin E. And then we have high fructose corn syrup which blocks a key import protein in our gut called CTR1. This shuts it down so copper can't get in the body. If it can't get in the body or the gut, you are going to have issues. All we need to have is 90mg of copper! For every copper atom, there are 60 atoms of iron that need to be regulated, that is how intelligent copper is.

Vitamin C vs Ascorbic Acid

Ascorbic acid is one of the most common food additives on the planet. If you look at anything that needs an antioxidant it's usually ascorbic acid. And then people say you need more vitamin c for your immune system. The confusion goes back to the 1930s when Albert von Szent-Györgyi Nagyrápolt won the Nobel peace prize. He was studying hyaluronic acids which are involved in wound repair. Then he started studying hexanoic acid. and he received the Nobel prize for hexanoic acid which is another word for ascorbic acid. So, we have whole food Vitamin C and then Ascorbic acid.

In terms of a car: the whole C complex is like your car, it has an engine, steering wheel, 4 wheels, and a shell covering. Ascorbic acid is the shell of the car with no moving parts. One company makes 90% of all ascorbic acid from GMO corn; you may not be so excited to use it!

There are sources of vitamin C complexes that you can have. The best are from Kakadu plum and Camu Camu. Stay away from ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate because they are derivatives of each other.

That engine inside of that vitamin C complex is an enzyme called tyrosinase. It is a 3-sided pyramid with copper at all points. That vitamin C complex is delivering copper to the body. It is important in its natural and intended state. This is why you should use food sources of Vitamin C! This is a parallel universe of natural healing that conflicts with what people think is conventional. "

https://www.nourishmeorganics.com.au/blogs/nmo-gut-health-journal/morley-robbins-on-copper-deficiency-and-mineral-balance