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The Anti-Vaxxers 10 Scientific Points for the Refusal of Vaccines - we need to make a list
Hi all,
I would deeply appreciate if we could come up with 10 bullet points, that quickly summarizes the arguments against the use of vaccines. I am finding that even though I know the harms of vaccines, its not very easy to sum it up and present this argument against a group of pro-vaxxers who are just dying to onslaught their anti-vaxxer victim.
what are the strongest science based points one can make, in a short list summarized way to deliver to people why we say no to vaccines.
best wishes,
Mike
I would deeply appreciate if we could come up with 10 bullet points, that quickly summarizes the arguments against the use of vaccines. I am finding that even though I know the harms of vaccines, its not very easy to sum it up and present this argument against a group of pro-vaxxers who are just dying to onslaught their anti-vaxxer victim.
what are the strongest science based points one can make, in a short list summarized way to deliver to people why we say no to vaccines.
best wishes,
Mike
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Re: The Anti-Vaxxers 10 Scientific Points for the Refusal of Vaccines - we need to make a list
I'll list my top 10, but be sure to check out this great debate.
Never thought we'd witness a debate like this see the light of day, because most challengers disappeared
or did not show up (pharmaceutical shills knew they couldn't win).
https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE
Another note: it seems in the last year, big tech is going hard core to censor and flat out remove or make it nearly impossible to find honest sources of vaccine info. This is a crime in itself. Big tech is either a pharmaceutical company themselves and/or being paid to destroy opposing views. Basically a form of digital book burning. Would recommend using alternative search engines that do no use Google algorithms.
Another note: So far, through a corrupt system, vaccine injuries have amounted to over 4 Billion, yet these are very difficult to acquire because there is no discovery process, unlike a normal court system. This is via HHS, not drug companies (via The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 , as amended*, created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), a no-fault alternative to the traditional tort system. It provides compensation to people found to be injured by certain vaccines.
1. Vaccines have never been proven safe or effective. Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies compare vaccine “side-effects” from one vaccine to another. True, scientific, double-blind placebo studies have never been conducted on vaccines to determine their safety. Effectiveness cannot be determined unless one is then knowingly exposed to the disease entity following vaccination. Only antibody production is measured. Our immune system is not based on antibodies (this is antiqued, not modern immunology)
How they big pHarma obfuscate dangers of vaccines: https://vactruth.com/2013/09/26/how-pharmaceutical-hide-dangers/
2. Vaccines do not work. They may create a temporary increase in antibodies for a particular disease, but this does not equate to immunity to disease. Real immunity is based on cellular mediated immunity. Vaccines, with all of their toxins and their unnatural way of introducing disease directly into one’s blood stream, decrease cellular immunity, which is more critical for one’s immune system. Neurologist Russell Blaylock has lectured and written extensively on this subject.When there are outbreaks of disease, unvaccinated children are often blamed. Whenever the outbreaks are examined more closely, the data show that the majority of those suffering have been vaccinated for the disease.
Disease charts show that diseases were mostly eliminated prior to the creation of vaccinations. What is truly responsible for most communicable disease elimination is clean water and improved sanitation. See the following graphs: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
3. The very first vaccine was a disaster. Vaccine safety and effectiveness is a created myth, strongly embedded in Americans’ psyche and reinforced by the health care system.
The history of small pox vaccines demonstrates that the first vaccine resulted in an increase in the disease and created additional serious health consequences including syphilis and deaths. Physician groups met repeatedly to discuss the “vaccine problem” and concluded that as long as vaccines remained profitable, they would be impossible to eliminate, in spite of the evidence against them. Nothing has changed since this time.
The polio vaccine was another one linked to serious health consequences, including cancer and AIDS. Statistics were manipulated to try and prove this vaccine’s effectiveness. With each new vaccine has come new health damage and created illness. See http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/
4. Vaccines are highly profitable for pharmaceutical companies and the health care industry. Strong financial incentives exist to continue this practice, not effectiveness. You cannot trust brochures on vaccines provided by pharmaceutical companies because they are corporations with a profit motive. Their objective is NOT to protect health but to sell vaccines.
5. All vaccines contain a number of toxic poisons and chemicals that are linked to serious neurological damage including aluminum, thimerosal (methyl mercury), antibiotics, monosodium glutamate (MSG) and formaldehyde. Other dangerous substances found in vaccines include antifreeze, lead, cadmium, glycerine, acetone, and yeast proteins. By the way, mercury is still present in vaccines even when claimed they no longer do (it's used to disinfect as part of the manufacturing process, and that is not required to be labeled).
6. Every study comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated children demonstrates that unvaccinated children enjoy far superior health. Unvaccinated children generally do not suffer from upper respiratory illnesses, ear infections, autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies, auto-immune disorders and other diseases, in comparison to those vaccinated. (See Sally Fallon Morell’s The Nourishing Tradition’s Book of Baby and Child Care, 2013.)
7. Vaccines cause a host of “chronic, incurable, and life threatening diseases,” including autism, asthma, ADHD, auto-immune disorders, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, food allergies and brain damage. [1]
8. The only way to create true life-long immunity to a disease is through natural exposure to the disease in which the body creates true antibodies and immunity on many levels.
9. Vaccines kill infants, children and adults. Strong evidence links vaccines to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). [2] More than one hundred previously healthy young women have died as a result of the HPV vaccine. [3] The flu vaccine has been documented as awarding the most money for serious health injuries, including death. [4] [5]
The long term effects of vaccines are unknown. It is a medical experiment of one’s health for which no one knows the long term health consequences.
US children are given far more vaccines at younger ages compared to other countries. Infant mortality rates for US children are one of the worst in the world, especially compared to countries who vaccinate their children less and who have wisely raised vaccination ages. [6]
10. If you or a loved one suffers from a vaccine injury, pharmaceutical companies and physicians hold no medical liability. In 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was formed, eliminating the ability to directly sue pharmaceutical companies or health care practitioners responsible for vaccine injuries.
You may also check the resources below. Most important is to remember that vaccinations are a medical intervention and procedure which carries tremendous risks, so it is important to educate yourself first, prior to making the decision to go forward. Weigh the risks and benefits and be an informed consumer of medical care.
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[*]www.nvic.org
[*]http://vactruth.com/2012/11/08/brainwashed-police-ignore-vaccine-injuries/
[*]http://sanevax.org/new-death-post-gardasil-updated-vaers-figures-report-that-hpv-vaccines-adverse-reactions-are-50-higher-than-other-age-related-recommended-vaccines/
[*]http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries
[*]http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Influenza.aspx
[*]http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/six-reasons-to-say-no-to-vaccination
[/list]
Never thought we'd witness a debate like this see the light of day, because most challengers disappeared
or did not show up (pharmaceutical shills knew they couldn't win).
https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE
Another note: it seems in the last year, big tech is going hard core to censor and flat out remove or make it nearly impossible to find honest sources of vaccine info. This is a crime in itself. Big tech is either a pharmaceutical company themselves and/or being paid to destroy opposing views. Basically a form of digital book burning. Would recommend using alternative search engines that do no use Google algorithms.
Another note: So far, through a corrupt system, vaccine injuries have amounted to over 4 Billion, yet these are very difficult to acquire because there is no discovery process, unlike a normal court system. This is via HHS, not drug companies (via The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 , as amended*, created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), a no-fault alternative to the traditional tort system. It provides compensation to people found to be injured by certain vaccines.
1. Vaccines have never been proven safe or effective. Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies compare vaccine “side-effects” from one vaccine to another. True, scientific, double-blind placebo studies have never been conducted on vaccines to determine their safety. Effectiveness cannot be determined unless one is then knowingly exposed to the disease entity following vaccination. Only antibody production is measured. Our immune system is not based on antibodies (this is antiqued, not modern immunology)
How they big pHarma obfuscate dangers of vaccines: https://vactruth.com/2013/09/26/how-pharmaceutical-hide-dangers/
2. Vaccines do not work. They may create a temporary increase in antibodies for a particular disease, but this does not equate to immunity to disease. Real immunity is based on cellular mediated immunity. Vaccines, with all of their toxins and their unnatural way of introducing disease directly into one’s blood stream, decrease cellular immunity, which is more critical for one’s immune system. Neurologist Russell Blaylock has lectured and written extensively on this subject.When there are outbreaks of disease, unvaccinated children are often blamed. Whenever the outbreaks are examined more closely, the data show that the majority of those suffering have been vaccinated for the disease.
Disease charts show that diseases were mostly eliminated prior to the creation of vaccinations. What is truly responsible for most communicable disease elimination is clean water and improved sanitation. See the following graphs: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
3. The very first vaccine was a disaster. Vaccine safety and effectiveness is a created myth, strongly embedded in Americans’ psyche and reinforced by the health care system.
The history of small pox vaccines demonstrates that the first vaccine resulted in an increase in the disease and created additional serious health consequences including syphilis and deaths. Physician groups met repeatedly to discuss the “vaccine problem” and concluded that as long as vaccines remained profitable, they would be impossible to eliminate, in spite of the evidence against them. Nothing has changed since this time.
The polio vaccine was another one linked to serious health consequences, including cancer and AIDS. Statistics were manipulated to try and prove this vaccine’s effectiveness. With each new vaccine has come new health damage and created illness. See http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/
4. Vaccines are highly profitable for pharmaceutical companies and the health care industry. Strong financial incentives exist to continue this practice, not effectiveness. You cannot trust brochures on vaccines provided by pharmaceutical companies because they are corporations with a profit motive. Their objective is NOT to protect health but to sell vaccines.
5. All vaccines contain a number of toxic poisons and chemicals that are linked to serious neurological damage including aluminum, thimerosal (methyl mercury), antibiotics, monosodium glutamate (MSG) and formaldehyde. Other dangerous substances found in vaccines include antifreeze, lead, cadmium, glycerine, acetone, and yeast proteins. By the way, mercury is still present in vaccines even when claimed they no longer do (it's used to disinfect as part of the manufacturing process, and that is not required to be labeled).
6. Every study comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated children demonstrates that unvaccinated children enjoy far superior health. Unvaccinated children generally do not suffer from upper respiratory illnesses, ear infections, autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies, auto-immune disorders and other diseases, in comparison to those vaccinated. (See Sally Fallon Morell’s The Nourishing Tradition’s Book of Baby and Child Care, 2013.)
7. Vaccines cause a host of “chronic, incurable, and life threatening diseases,” including autism, asthma, ADHD, auto-immune disorders, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, food allergies and brain damage. [1]
8. The only way to create true life-long immunity to a disease is through natural exposure to the disease in which the body creates true antibodies and immunity on many levels.
9. Vaccines kill infants, children and adults. Strong evidence links vaccines to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). [2] More than one hundred previously healthy young women have died as a result of the HPV vaccine. [3] The flu vaccine has been documented as awarding the most money for serious health injuries, including death. [4] [5]
The long term effects of vaccines are unknown. It is a medical experiment of one’s health for which no one knows the long term health consequences.
US children are given far more vaccines at younger ages compared to other countries. Infant mortality rates for US children are one of the worst in the world, especially compared to countries who vaccinate their children less and who have wisely raised vaccination ages. [6]
10. If you or a loved one suffers from a vaccine injury, pharmaceutical companies and physicians hold no medical liability. In 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was formed, eliminating the ability to directly sue pharmaceutical companies or health care practitioners responsible for vaccine injuries.
Conclusion
You are on your own to try and regain your health in the event that you are vaccine injured. The expense and suffering is yours alone to face. Very few individuals will be awarded money from funds set up by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. The system is designed for individuals to fail in making their claim of vaccine injury. The public pays for this injury fund in the cost of taxes on vaccinations.You may also check the resources below. Most important is to remember that vaccinations are a medical intervention and procedure which carries tremendous risks, so it is important to educate yourself first, prior to making the decision to go forward. Weigh the risks and benefits and be an informed consumer of medical care.
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[*]www.nvic.org
[*]http://vactruth.com/2012/11/08/brainwashed-police-ignore-vaccine-injuries/
[*]http://sanevax.org/new-death-post-gardasil-updated-vaers-figures-report-that-hpv-vaccines-adverse-reactions-are-50-higher-than-other-age-related-recommended-vaccines/
[*]http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries
[*]http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Influenza.aspx
[*]http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/six-reasons-to-say-no-to-vaccination
[/list]
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Re: The Anti-Vaxxers 10 Scientific Points for the Refusal of Vaccines - we need to make a list
Very nice post, CS, very consistent with findings of my research. I do think it will become mandatory to vaccinate for COVID in 2021, specially if travelling, etc...
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Thanks for your reply CS. It is just what I needed. I feel we really need to inform people since peoples ignorance might lead us to an even worse future. Even if its one person at a time we need to get the truth out. Thanks for the link,Iwill be watching it.
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Re: The Anti-Vaxxers 10 Scientific Points for the Refusal of Vaccines - we need to make a list
From Robert F. Kennedy, Jr on the CV-Vaccine
(This one is very different. If has never been successfully done before. The “experts” in the field that are usually on board with enthusiasm are extremely hesitant (like Paul Offit, Peter Hotez). You only have one body to go through life with).
"Pharma has 80 COVID vaccines in development, but Gates & Fauci pushed Moderna’s “Frankenstein jab” to the front of the line. Scientists & ethicists are sounding alarms. The vaccine uses a new, untested, and very controversial experimental RNA technology that Gates has backed for over a decade. Instead of injecting an antigen & adjuvant as with traditional vaccines, Moderna plugs a small piece of coronavirus genetic code into human cells, altering DNA throughout the human body and reprograming our cells to produce antibodies to fight the virus. MRNA vaccines are a form of genetic engineering called “germ line gene editing”. Moderna’s genetic alterations are passed down to future generations. In January The Geneva Statement the world’s leading ethicists and scientists called for an end to this kind of experimentation.
Moderna has never bought a product to market, proceeded through clinical trials, or had a vaccine approved by FDA. Despite Gates’ investments, the company, was teetering on bankruptcy with $1.5 billion debt before COVID.
Fauci’s support won the company an astonishing $483 million in federal funds to accelerate development. Dr. Joseph Bolen, Moderna’s former R&D Chief, expressed shock at Fauci’s bet.” I don’t know what their thinking was”, he told CNN, “When I read that, I was pretty amazed”. Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle. Dr Peter Hotez warns of potentially fatal consequences from skipping animal studies. “If there is immune enhancement in animals, that’s a show-stopper”. Dr Suhab Siddiqi, Moderna’s Ex-Director of Chemistry, told CNN, “I would not let the [vaccine] be injected in my body. I would demand: Where is the toxicity data?” Former NIH Scientist Dr. Judy Mikovits says its criminal to test MRNA vaccines on humans. “MRNA can cause cancers and other dire harms that don’t surface for years.” As precautions, Moderna...
(This one is very different. If has never been successfully done before. The “experts” in the field that are usually on board with enthusiasm are extremely hesitant (like Paul Offit, Peter Hotez). You only have one body to go through life with).
"Pharma has 80 COVID vaccines in development, but Gates & Fauci pushed Moderna’s “Frankenstein jab” to the front of the line. Scientists & ethicists are sounding alarms. The vaccine uses a new, untested, and very controversial experimental RNA technology that Gates has backed for over a decade. Instead of injecting an antigen & adjuvant as with traditional vaccines, Moderna plugs a small piece of coronavirus genetic code into human cells, altering DNA throughout the human body and reprograming our cells to produce antibodies to fight the virus. MRNA vaccines are a form of genetic engineering called “germ line gene editing”. Moderna’s genetic alterations are passed down to future generations. In January The Geneva Statement the world’s leading ethicists and scientists called for an end to this kind of experimentation.
Moderna has never bought a product to market, proceeded through clinical trials, or had a vaccine approved by FDA. Despite Gates’ investments, the company, was teetering on bankruptcy with $1.5 billion debt before COVID.
Fauci’s support won the company an astonishing $483 million in federal funds to accelerate development. Dr. Joseph Bolen, Moderna’s former R&D Chief, expressed shock at Fauci’s bet.” I don’t know what their thinking was”, he told CNN, “When I read that, I was pretty amazed”. Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle. Dr Peter Hotez warns of potentially fatal consequences from skipping animal studies. “If there is immune enhancement in animals, that’s a show-stopper”. Dr Suhab Siddiqi, Moderna’s Ex-Director of Chemistry, told CNN, “I would not let the [vaccine] be injected in my body. I would demand: Where is the toxicity data?” Former NIH Scientist Dr. Judy Mikovits says its criminal to test MRNA vaccines on humans. “MRNA can cause cancers and other dire harms that don’t surface for years.” As precautions, Moderna...
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Hey, maybe it will grow our hair back LOL
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Hi CS, great info on this thread. Unfortunately it has been announced today that a Covid vaccine will be mandatory here in Australia. Can you please advise of a valid medical reason to refuse one. Can’t believe it has actually come to this
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^You should thank your lucky stars. Look what the virus did to Jdp.
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Re: The Anti-Vaxxers 10 Scientific Points for the Refusal of Vaccines - we need to make a list
shaftless wrote:^You should thank your lucky stars. Look what the virus did to Jdp.
His tests were negative (for CV), it really doesn't matter.
SARS is a syndrome (meaning unknown pathology), if journalism wasn't dead and not authored by pharmaceutical mouthpieces, the truth would not allow the hysteria.
Testing for "CV19" doesn't mean anything, there is no specificity. It simplicity indicates there's a piece of generic material, yet no time has this material been isolated and purified, not tested to cause the very disease they presume.
Just looking at WHO/CDC, they admit this is presumed (not proven).
Also, there's a lot of patents on all these viruses. What does that really mean?
It means that a natural existence of something cannot be patented. Yet, they found a lot of patents that seemed to
violate the basic patent principles.
They, whoever "they" are have taken extra efforts to conceal information on the patents.
There are many ways to achieve "CV19" symptoms and none of them have anything to do with a virus.
If you reach JDP's thread, you'll see that in his own experience, he believed the local produce to be toxic (botulism toxins) found in some produce can cause CV19 symptoms. JDP also said that the air was of poor quality (cyanide in the air can cause CV19 symptoms because it displaces iron from hemoglobin), and finally JDP also mentioned some of those Stratospheric aerosol injections if you know what I mean.
The point is, history shows we've been poisoned and continue to be poisoned.
Also injection is one way to get genetic material to cause a disease - Recipients of flu shots beware.
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Mawson06 wrote:Hi CS, great info on this thread. Unfortunately it has been announced today that a Covid vaccine will be mandatory here in Australia. Can you please advise of a valid medical reason to refuse one. Can’t believe it has actually come to this
There's a bloke out of Australia by the name of Tom Barnett. He has very similar opinions as those who believe this situation is a Plan-Demic.
He does outline strategies to protect yourself against mandatory jabs.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Barnett/100016099539778
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Australia PM backtracked on his statement, it seems that they won't make it mandatory. For now at least.
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For anyone who wants a deeper understanding to how and why the germ theory is scientific fraud.
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Is botulism toxins produced by the bacterium Clostridium botulinum somewhat believable? Not all toxins are man-made. Look what the venom from a poisonous snake or spider can do to us. Even the chemistry of a toadstool mushroom can wreak havoc on us humans.
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shaftless wrote:Is botulism toxins produced by the bacterium Clostridium botulinum somewhat believable? Not all toxins are man-made. Look what the venom from a poisonous snake or spider can do to us. Even the chemistry of a toadstool mushroom can wreak havoc on us humans.
No doubt for sure. Being toxic is usually about quantity (dosage).
Probably the most common causes of poisoning are from food.
When food is completely raw, it is safe to consume -- but if cooked and then subsequently eat after being left out for a while, natural microbes will seek out rotting tissue and consume it. Then their waste product (bacterial endotoxins) can make us quite sick--a frequent cause of hepatitis A and B.
Yet, the germ and/or microbe itself in a clean environment through pleomorphism will revert to its harmless form.
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Hmmm, yet salmonella and listeria bacteria on raw food or unpasteurized milk can cause sickness
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shaftless wrote:Hmmm, yet salmonella and listeria bacteria on raw food or unpasteurized milk can cause sickness
Covered this many times in some of the previous postings.
Bacteria are harmless. they basically just consume (clean us) of necrotic or harmful substances. By the way salmonella is typically found from fecal matter that can get cross contaminated into egg shells or into chicken, but does that make it harmful? It all depends.
Now further regarding salmonella and similar bacteria. Normally, foods that naturally contain these bacteria produce a putrid odor when the bacterial count gets high. If you worry about bacteria, when meat
stinks don’t eat it. The bacterial count in cooked meat and eggs will grow as much as sixty times higher than in raw food.
It's ironic, because people fearing salmonella think it's from raw eggs and uncooked chicken. However,
the waste products from bacteria that feeds on cooked food is 10 to 100 times more
toxic than the waste products from bacteria feeding on raw rood. That’s why in our advanced society, bacterial food-poisoning is from cooked, packaged or restaurant food.
Also regarding freshness and salmonella. For centuries, the Chinese have been consuming eggs that were as old as 25 years to increase health and stamina. Many consumers of raw food purposely "spoil" eggs to increase bacteria and digestibility, which almost instantly relieves poor digestion, constipation, and chronic depression for days.
Another note: There is a very large backstory on pasteurized milk. An as always the case, the devil is in the details, so commercial milk industry uses talking points (slogans) to marginalize consumers from the truth. they've lied to us to death about raw milk. I'm alive and have had it at least a few hundred times. Pasteurized milk is a way to "cover" bad quality milk from poor conditions and feed.
Might as well share a gem of a book by one of the funniest doctors ever--I mean that in a good way.
Read this for the truth about Milk
http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/archive/559/The_Raw_Truth_About_Milk.pdf
If you just want to "skim" over this book, then check out Chapter III "Udder Destruction"
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Ok if you say that it's not the bacteria but the endotoxins that they excrete....aren't they still guilty as charged??? They still are the source of the illness. Whether directly or indirectly. NON?
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shaftless wrote:Ok if you say that it's not the bacteria but the endotoxins that they excrete....aren't they still guilty as charged??? They still are the source of the illness. Whether directly or indirectly. NON?
It depends, for instance:
Raw Milk = Good and healthy
Pasteurized Milk is terrible (for lots of reasons).
The "bad" bacteria if consuming toxins from poor quality conditions...Remember that Louis Pasteur had to intentionally spike his test patients with Lead (Pb) to get a "positive" result of the bacteria causing harm.
The toxin is always required and without the bacteria we will succumb to disease faster. The germs/microbes/bacteria are merely "janitors."
Dr. Fraser of Canada and Dr. Powell of California have experimented with billions of germs of all varieties, but they have been unable to produce a single disease by the introduction of germs into human subjects. Dr. Waite tried for years to prove the germ theory, but he could not do so. During the World War an experiment was conducted at Gallop's Island Massachusetts, in which millions of influenza germs were injected into over one hundred men at the Government hospital, and no one got the flu. Germs are scavengers. ~ Principles and Practice of Naturopathy. E.W. Cordingley, M.D.., N.D.,A.M.
We must look rationally at the bacterial issue. Consider the fact that many tribes ate primarily unsalted raw meat, unsalted raw fats and/or unsalted raw dairy products from the beginning. he did not wash their hands or sterilize their food before eating. Every form of natural bacteria, including salmonella, E. coli and campylobacter were eaten with their food abundantly and constantly. Why were they vibrant, healthy and disease free if microbes are the culprits?
There's one simple reason - An idea usually reaches popularity because either it's promoted by a government and/or profitable - Louis Pasteur worked for the government, Antoine Bechamp, did not, who opposed the germ theory.
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