Vitamin D linked to cardiovascular deaths?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150310105222.htm

Yet you see a lot of older people soaking up the sun on beaches. Probably did for years. Hasn't bothered them.

I'll probably stick to 2000 IU daily. Doubt I'll get too much with that. If I remember that is, not much a supp guy unless it's zinc, still take that daily.

I've been saying this for some time on the forum now.

Isolated vitamin d supplements are toxic and will harden the arteries.

Avoid them, or just take k2, or apply D3 on the skin only.

shaftless wrote:Yet you see a lot of older people soaking up the sun on beaches. Probably did for years. Hasn't bothered them.

real sunlight is a mix of d2, d3, and d25. that's not a problem. supplements are.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

shaftless wrote:Yet you see a lot of older people soaking up the sun on beaches. Probably did for years. Hasn't bothered them.

real sunlight is a mix of d2, d3, and d25. that's not a problem. supplements are.

I've tried mixing d3 with DMSO as carrier and applied it on a skin. I think it works well. If you dont mind the taste of garlic, this can be safer option (if knowing dealing with DMSO). For some reason even if apply 1 drop of DMSO on the skin, i get the MSM taste.

Or stick with product CS recommends. I wish i knew this earlier (i am still vitamin Dsun deficient)...

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

shaftless wrote:Yet you see a lot of older people soaking up the sun on beaches. Probably did for years. Hasn't bothered them.

real sunlight is a mix of d2, d3, and d25. that's not a problem. supplements are.

What is d25?

sorry, my mistake

I meant

25-hydroxyvitamin D

from sunlight.

why is through the skin OK but not supplement?

it's just safer and avoids toxicity.

unless you took a bath in it

Topical vitamin D and Oral vitamin D both enter the bloodstream, bind to DBP, and are transformed into Vitamin D's active form. This is an almost identical mechanism except oral vitamin D before it hits the bloodstream is absorbed by bile and fats whereas topical goes directly into the blood stream. There is no reason that I can see to try to administer Vit D directly into the blood stream because like I said the end result is vitamin D transforming into the active form in the liver...basically, the end result should be the same... at least from what information I've read on Vit D would indicate.

Speaking of vitamin D. I was at an internist this morning. I'm low in vitamin D (25 ng/ml). She asked me some questions and I told her what kind of functional individual diagnostics did I do and she said that it's a bunch of crap. Freaking unbelieveable how hardcoded these people are in their traditional training and they are all know-it-alls, it's frustrating beyond belief. Anyhow, she said that I should stop taking 5000 IU and gave me some 1000 IU/daily drops instead.

She still has a problem, but my question is, is 1000 IU/daily going to achieve anything significant?

Her reasoning was the funniest though. I told her that there's a mounting evidence showing that the levels of vitamin D should really be higher then they are currently, to which she replied : "Let's not philosophise, you're not the doctor, I am, and everyone is vitamin D deficient anyway, it's not a big deal. Stop reading this from the internet because it doesn't mean anything."

I wanted to straighten her face with my knee when I heard that, but I just said that she's wrong simply because she doesn't want to learn more.

So vitamin D, what are the optimal levels? Everyone is different but don't accept being at the minimum range. Go beyond the medical minimum because their closed mindedness certainly isn't going to cure anyone or make them feel better. All it is, is a failure to understand more about human body, and passing down traditional information which honestly, has no place anymore. Besides, body needs reserves in order to function optimally. Most of the people can't instantly build up to higher levels, but eveyone should try and reach 40 ng/ml at least. A lot of alternative say that you should even go up to 70 or 90 but this can be hard to achieve, and requires more than just vitamin D supplementation. Bottomline is, don't stress if you're not at very high ranges but try to get to about 40. It's a good start.

edit: one more question. Did anyone else ever had problems being unable to access ncbi?

"Access Denied

Your access to the NCBI website at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov has been temporarily blocked due to a possible misuse situation involving your site." Wth.

This is confusing I have liquid vitamin d that I drop on my tongue, should I discontinue the usage?

I live in north europe so i have maybe 3 months of good sinshine per year. I'm thinking of buying one of those 160 W terrarium d3 lamps.
Would this be a good idea?

You can buy a d3 spray, that CS talks about lately, (haven't tried the product yet).

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:sorry, my mistake

I meant

25-hydroxyvitamin D

from sunlight.

The human body does not produce D3, D2 and 25-hydroxyvitamin D from sunlight.

See this image:


25-hydroxyvitamin is made in the liver, by converting either D3 or D2. D3 is the same whether it's made on the skin or from dietary sources.

Only difference MIGHT be that the D3 from the skin is sulphated, but this is a debate as I understand it.

Nobody here that uses a uvb light bulb for tropical terrariums to get their vitamine d???

I've been using moderate dose vitamin D3, along with vitamin A and vitamin K2.

CausticSymmetry wrote:I've been using moderate dose vitamin D3, along with vitamin A and vitamin K2.

What do you consider a moderate dose CS?

virtua_ wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:I've been using moderate dose vitamin D3, along with vitamin A and vitamin K2.

What do you consider a moderate dose CS?

I take 10,000 IU of vitamin A and about 10 to 15 mg of K2 as MK-4, and 120 to 180 mcg of K2 as MK-7 all from Decalcify).

As for vitamin D3 (everyone is different in this regard), so usually 5,000 IU per day (I skip this when adequate sun exposure occurs).

I take 10,000 IU of vitamin A and about 10 to 15 mg of K2 as MK-4, and 120 to 180 mcg of K2 as MK-7 all from Decalcify).

What do you think about Now's k2 100mcg as menaquinone from 300mg alfalfa? Before decalcify, weren't you just using solely MK-7? What one product would you use aside from decalcify?