I made a Ray Peat summary website :)

Just thought you guys might like it!

I wrote very little of it myself as I know that my knowledge of Ray Peat's dietary advice and so on isn't developed enough yet to really do it justice.

ANYWAY I hope you guys enjoy it!

http://www.raypeatsummary.com


Peace out cool dudes and I hope the forum is all going well ^_^

Hoppi!

- He avoids all other above-ground vegetables, including greens and many herbs (basil, etc) due to toxins (even if cooked) that far outweigh the benefits.

The precise opposite of an evidence based opinion on the matter.

in b4 caloric restriction, not the additive and synergistic combination of phytochemicals

but with serious, it looks like a good review. good use of graphics as well.

icecream, coco cola, butter and cheese?

^ the big thing that worries me about his diet is the negative impact on teeth and gums from all that sugar. dental illness incidence sharply rose when sugars became economically viable as a widespread food ingredient available for all classes of people including the low and middle classes. prior, dentists were purely a profession that serviced the aristocracy and the wealthy.

Also doesn't peat endorse the therapeutic potential of low-dose daily aspirin? Saw no mention of that. Just saw some more research on decreased likelihood of cancers on low dose daily aspirin.

with the acidic juices drink through a straw

Hm, has this forum moved away from Peat a bit then? Last time I was here the attitude was VERY pro-Peat!!

I understand the concern about sugars and teeth but... I think usually it's acid that hurts the teeth more (acidic fruits, etc). Plus... I mean monkeys and apes get most of their energy from fructose too and you don't see them running to the dentist lol

And what's wrong with ice cream (dairy and sugar), mexican cola (sugary fizzy water), butter (saturated fat and protein) and cheese (saturated fat and protein)... did I miss a meeting? lol

Other animals which eat sweets also experience dental problems. They don't use the dentist because they can't.

LawOfThelema wrote:Other animals which eat sweets also experience dental problems. They don't use the dentist because they can't.

"sweets"?

Don't you mean... well... carb burners! Those for whom fructose is the preferred fuel! Even if our teeth DO suffer and ALL other primates teeth suffer a bit due to fructose that still wouldn't mean that it's not optimal fuel for us. Research does seem to suggest our optimal fuel is fructose which is why Ray recommends sucrose as it's a simple disaccharide and 50% fructose

Well, for example, though chimps eat predominantly fruit, these fruits are low in sugars, and so the animals are not fueled by sugars; they still are fueled by short chain fatty acids that their specialised gut microbes produce from the copious amounts of fiber that they get from fruit and other foods.

Humans do not have the capabillity to digest large amounts of fiber; also the quite high percentage of fructose malabsorption in eurasians (~40%) would point to (very) low amounts of high sugar fruit in the diet in those specimen for an evolutionary relevant period of time.

From a "Peat fan" perspective, I think one issue with the increase in sugar in the diet, it increases the metabolism, which increases the demand for protein, a high amount of protein is needed for the thyroid to be working optimally, if this is not met then the thyroid doesn't work well and problems start occurring, such as cavities, possibly from reduced saliva being made and increased estrogen.

From Peat:
"People under stress, or who have a thyroid deficiency, or who don't eat enough protein, typically have elevated estrogen levels."
"Teeth are very similar to bones, so it's interesting that treating male or female rats with estrogen increases their incidence of tooth decay, and removing their gonads was found to decrease the incidence (Muhler and Shafer, 1952). Supplementing them with thyroid hormone decreased the incidence of cavities in both males and females (Bixler, et al., 1957)."
"The quality of the saliva, regulated mainly by the thyroid hormone, is the main factor in dental health."

Interesting posts!

Both make some sense. However ppm if fat is simply better than sugar... howcome it's less efficient as a fuel source? Fructose is a very good fuel source.

Are you sure you don't have Candida and so are sugar-phobic? o.O

hoppipolla wrote:mexican cola

In the UK all Coca Cola is what Americans call "Mexican Cola" no hfcs, just sugar. The problem is that it is nutrient void and as sugar increases metabolism, creates the need for more nutrients. Personally I think this is the reason why sugar causes cavities. Drink sugary drinks with straws if concerned about acid. I don't recommend pure sugar because of this but make sure you balance it out with good nutritious foods, eggs, good source of milk etc if you're going to drink it.


sanderson - What are the issues with butter and cheese?

tooyoung wrote:

hoppipolla wrote:mexican cola

In the UK all Coca Cola is what Americans call "Mexican Cola" no hfcs, just sugar. The problem is that it is nutrient void and as sugar increases metabolism, creates the need for more nutrients. Personally I think this is the reason why sugar causes cavities. Drink sugary drinks with straws if concerned about acid. I don't recommend pure sugar because of this but make sure you balance it out with good nutritious foods, eggs, good source of milk etc if you're going to drink it.


sanderson - What are the issues with butter and cheese?

ah yeah, I always put my sugar on say cottage cheese or whatever

I also try to have sugar with protein and fat I consume to help my body process it.

I keep hearing that the acid in coke is bad but I dunno.

And thanks for the Mexican coke clarification - I actually never drink soft drinks so I never bothered looking into it properly!

Of course, the carbs vs fat debate for human fuel has been going on for a long, long time. Is there a specific kind of fat that the fat side of this debate go for, or any kind of fat?

What about lipid peroxidation, or do you think that's not an issue? o.O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_peroxidation

You don't favour saturated over unsaturated or monos over polys or anything? My favourite carb source is definitely fructose. I don't really care what the fructose is in or how refined it is as long as I get it into me along with nutrition.

I may ditch the sucrose soon and just get pure fructose, I'm not sure yet o.O

hoppipolla wrote:
You don't favour saturated over unsaturated or monos over polys or anything?

Limit poly.

I may ditch the sucrose soon and just get pure fructose, I'm not sure yet o.O

I did this, bought a big bag of fructose off iherb. A few days later I came across something, I can't remember exactly but it put me off fructose alone, I think fructose alone was not as good or had negatives compared to sucrose. I will try find it although I can't exactly remember what it was, I have a feeling it was on Stephan Guyenets blog.

Ah sorry that q about preferred fat was directed at ppm about a fat-burning diet

I know you're gonna favour saturates and oppose polys tooyoung as you're one of the Ray Peat crew ^^

"He doesn't use yogurt because of the lactic acid and/or lactobacillus."

This strikes me as odd since many on the forum see probiotics as a good thing. I personally take Culturelle which is just Lactobacillus GG. I do so because of threads started by LittleFighter.

helpmyhair1 wrote:"He doesn't use yogurt because of the lactic acid and/or lactobacillus."

This strikes me as odd since many on the forum see probiotics as a good thing. I personally take Culturelle which is just Lactobacillus GG. I do so because of threads started by LittleFighter.

Lactic acid is supposed to be a burden on the body/liver. I forget the exact reasoning...

http://www.google.com/search?q=lactic+acid+ray+peat


It makes sense to me, but it doesn't mean you have to avoid ALL probiotics as not all probiotics contain lactic acid. For now though I am just consuming normal kefir but in time I might start straining off the whey which is apparently where the lactic acid is. This then apparently makes the kefir lactic acid -free (or mostly) and therefore safe for consumption:

"KEFIR

The neutral lactate salt is at least as toxic as the acid form, but each culture varies a little in the amount of acid formed. The enzyme that thickens the milk sometimes works with very little acid formed. How sour the kefir is suggests how much lactic acid is in it. There are types of yogurt that have much of the acidic whey drained out, that aren't a problem. A spoonful or two of acidic yogurt isn't harmful, but a cupful of the acidic type can be enough to deplete the liver's energy stores, because lactic acid is converted to glucose in the liver, requiring energy. The "strained" type that isn't acidic is similar to cottage cheese and is safe."

http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/29/ray-peats-brain-building-a-foundation-for-better-understandi.html

THIS kind of stuff is why we need to increase the Ray Peat love! lol

SCIENCEEE! ^_^

helpmyhair1 wrote:"He doesn't use yogurt because of the lactic acid and/or lactobacillus."

This strikes me as odd since many on the forum see probiotics as a good thing. I personally take Culturelle which is just Lactobacillus GG. I do so because of threads started by LittleFighter.

And the latest research on nutrition and physiology also find probiotics as good.

http://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2012/02/20/gut-microbiota-probiotics-prebiotics-and-synbiotics-%E2%80%93-keys-to-health-and-longevity/

So should I not be taken Culturelle aka Lactobacillus GG?

CS, can you comment on this?

An example of the applicability of in vivo observations. We should probably all stop exercise because our muscle produces lactic acid haha. Yes, absolutely continue with your probiotics. It is a commensal strain of bacteria, several types produce acidic products in the intestine. Lactic acid, or the process of clearing it, actually increases oxidative metabolism. This is the mechanism behind the "afterburn" of resistance training, your oxygen demands increase in order to fuel the clearance of the lactic acid. Some of Peat's theories are great, others I think take generalization too far. Some of our own neurotransmitters are inflammatory toxins. Sure. That makes a ton of evolutionary sense.

Probiotics and lactic acid are distinct things, you can take probiotics without taking lactic acid.

I agree that probiotics are probably unnecessary and may potentially in some ways be bad for health, however in the absence of anything better right now I'm happy to go for them as I do think they have a proven positive effect in most people. Sub-optimal doesn't necessarily mean bad

Plus kefir tastes great! lol

Hoppi and other people from UK. Sainsburys sell 750ml bottles of Sainsburys Taste the Difference milk, its non homogenised and I emailed around and found out it sounds like its grass fed, pasture fed and during winter fed on silage, although they said "mainly" grass fed, not quite sure what that means. I've been trying it out, been pouring it into a jug and back into the bottle through a sieve to lower the fat content, it tastes so much better than regular milk.

I know Dr. Peat recommends low fat milk, but I'm not sure if altering the fat content in milk is such a good idea with the main vitamins A & D being fat soluble. I would think your body absorbs those vitamins more effectively with the full fat content. But I could be wrong...maybe someone who knows more than me could comment on this.