Puresterol and RejuvePlex - Conversation with Dr. Sandford Schwartz

I literally just got done with a 30+ odd minute conversation on Skype with Dr. Sandford Schwartz (Dr. Sandy), one of the leading alternative medicine doctors and the leading doctor and researcher on Pueraria Mirifica. His product is what we use (Puresterol - http://www.Puresterol.com), and at his recommended concentration. Summary of his credentials can be found below:

http://www.smithnat.com/ceo.html

And that picture of him--he doesn't dye his hair. That's from topical Puresterol usage and internal PM usage (112Degrees.com's product). He mentioned in the past how, due to different receptors on the face and sides of your head, Pueraria Mirifica/Puresterol can't affect grey hair; only on the top of your head.

A few people on the forum mentioned having a couple of sides with RejuvePlex including puffiness under the eyes and breast tenderness, so I wanted to see what Dr. Sandy had to say about it.

#1 - Puffiness: He instantly and without hesitation said that puffiness under the eyes is caused by perfumes in topical formulas. Now, that doesn't mean exclusively synthetic scents (as in our case, we have only natural scents)...he said it can be as simple as the scent of ginger or another herbal scent. He said there is no solution to this, and that it is simply an allergic reaction. Makes sense to me, as being around a room full of cigarette smoke has always puffed my eyes up real good. However, there are no further side-effects that are brought about as a result of the puffiness.

My recommendation: Try not to apply it around the eyes if this occurs, otherwise, no worries.

#2 - Breast tenderness: Nothing to worry about. This one threw me off a bit as being someone that's had bouts of gynocomestia in the past when taking certain over-the-counter bodybuilding supplements in my younger years, propecia/avodart, and a bad brand of Pueraria Mirifica (Ainterol). So, I was a bit reluctant to accept that answer off the bat.

However, Dr. Sandy went on to explain that it's essentially your body returning to a state of puberty. No, not the crazy years, but the latter part of it when you're in your "prime". He said it will fade over time. Once we set up our web site, we will have interviews with Dr. Sandy where people can have a list of Q&As to submit before-hand.

When asked if we should reduce our concentration, he said no, and that it wouldn't make a difference. Turns out that Puresterol is VERY well absorbed, and recommended that it stay at its percentage. Therefore, the formula will remain unchanged as far as the PM percentage goes. Even then, it's a very small amount of PM (only 25% of the Puresterol in the formula is actually Pueraria Mirifica).

I wish I could communicate the conversation that we had better (should have recorded it...), but for all the intelligent posters that we have on this forum, Dr. Sandy was just simply in a league unto his own (and that's not a slight on ANYONE here). It's like speaking to Dr. Maricle of AixiZ about lasers...entirely different wavelength. The one thing that he emphatically reiterated to me was to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and to NOT take anybody's word for anything. He stated that what makes you or I healthy may not make the next man or woman healthy, and what makes them healthy, may not make us healthy. Some people cure their arthritis with yoga, other people sit on that mat wondering what the heck am I doing this for?

He endorsed a few doctors/friends of his including Dr. Jonathan Wright's research and a couple others who I can't quite remember right now (will send him a follow-up e-mail to get their names), but he went into chakra healing, meridians, a story about a 92-year old woman that was virtually helpless that had 8-10 treatments with a chakra meridian specialist and had her health nearly completely restored...just amazing stuff. I truly hope we can get a few good interviews with him in the near future, as I feel that he'll be a great catalyst to push people to learn more on their own rather than jumping on the latest fad diet or whatever.

Nid, very interesting, thank you. Any good read articles you'd recommend by this doctor?

rugrats--

Check out this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3982853702709194940

I think he has some articles up on Puresterol.com, but I'll e-mail him and see if he can share some more specific ones! Great video above btw...

Dr. Gordon seems to be present everywhere...

nidhogge wrote:rugrats--

Check out this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3982853702709194940

I think he has some articles up on Puresterol.com, but I'll e-mail him and see if he can share some more specific ones! Great video above btw...

Thanks, the herb is quite interesting. The good doc reminds of BB King!

nidhogge wrote:

#1 - Puffiness: He instantly and without hesitation said that puffiness under the eyes is caused by perfumes in topical formulas. Now, that doesn't mean exclusively synthetic scents (as in our case, we have only natural scents)...he said it can be as simple as the scent of ginger or another herbal scent. He said there is no solution to this, and that it is simply an allergic reaction. Makes sense to me, as being around a room full of cigarette smoke has always puffed my eyes up real good. However, there are no further side-effects that are brought about as a result of the puffiness.

My recommendation: Try not to apply it around the eyes if this occurs, otherwise, no worries.

Interesting, i am not glad to say puffiness under the eyes is my middle name. I get puffy from alcohol (even if i over-hydrate myself), pollen and salt load and am very sensitive on my eyes also - easily get them red. But not with Rejuveplex. In fact i apply it directly under the eyes where i posses a little scar from my teens and notice no puffiness or any negative effect on my skin whatsoever.

Haha, BB King--very true!

Yea, the amount of alcohol in RejuvePlex is virtually negligible. Typically, formulas that contain alcohol have a good deal of it added in; the only alcohol in this formula is that which is present in one or two actives (and at that, makes up a small percentage of those actives) since those particular herbs require alcohol extraction/stabilization.

This degree doesn't exist at Pratt Institute, a leading art and design school.

"Born in Brooklyn, New York City, Dr. Sandy received his B.S. Degree (Nutrition & Management) from Pratt Institute, New York,"

That said, obviously I am interested in topical PM since I once declared it a cure for hairloss. The sides of course were completely unbearable and truth is I'd rather lose it all than have those sides, but if this version is somehow side free, I'd be surprised and interested. That said, while I want to believe, that makes me a skeptic.

looks like such a degree did exist in the 60's @ Pratt: nutrition and food management.

Gibson--

Like myself, you experimented with Ainterol, correct? In the conversation, Dr. Sandy exclusively endorses 112Degrees. I'll be jumping to this product again (used it for a few months a few years ago with no sides), as there is some wholesale deal that one can apparently get involved with to get the product for a much more reasonable price.

Gib, if you want to give the topical a try, refunds are allowed sans S&H if sides are experienced. Wouldn't want someone to pay for something that isn't helping.

I'm interested in giving internal supplementation of PM another go. I'm currently using Rejuveplex topically but I'd like to see if I notice any overall physical benefits from supplementation. According to another post http://www.puerariamirificabuteasuperba.com was recommended. Any thoughts on whether this would be acceptable or would the 112degrees brand would be better. Thanks.

Should we be concerned about the phytoestrogen content of PM? I believe I read that one of the PEs in this supplement is very similar to Estradiol. So here are my questions:

1) Just because these PEs are similar in structure, will they actually mimic the effect of real
estrogen (have actual estrogenic activity), and if so is it near the degree of actual E?

2) There are many reasons for me to think that high levels of estrogen have a serious role
in MPB and many other chronic inflammatory conditions (infections, etc.), so what would the benefit of taking in phytoestrogens be. Some sources say they have less estrogenic activity so by binding to estrogen receptors they block the stronger activity of actual estrogens.

Any input would be appreciated.

nidhogge wrote:However, Dr. Sandy went on to explain that it's essentially your body returning to a state of puberty. No, not the crazy years, but the latter part of it when you're in your "prime". He said it will fade over time. Once we set up our web site, we will have interviews with Dr. Sandy where people can have a list of Q&As to submit before-hand.

my body returning to a state of puberty? isn't that a bit scary?

by the way, has anyone had little pimples coming back on their face after they hadn't been there for about 15 years? got some on my chin lately, and this quote made me wonder... thanks!

JJB9050--

Dr. Sandy went over that PuerariaMirificaButeaSuperba.com site with me, and dissected a lot of lies in there and gave the correct answers. He said they're more or less "blowing smoke up your ass". So, 112Degrees is probably the safe bet, though you'll want to call and request the 12-bottle wholesale deal to get it for 19.95 apiece.

anthonyspencer--

PM (assuming we're actually taking the proper stuff and not the 99% of rip-off products out there) works to restore your hormones to where they ought to be. In other words, an adaptogen. This isn't like taking synthetic estrogen, where it will raise your body's overall estrogen levels. Just as an example; we have multiple estrogens in our bodies. Let's say that estrogen A ought to be at 50, estrogen B ought to be at 70, and C ought to be at 20. However, they're instead at 20, 40, and 80 respectively. This creates an imbalance that impacts how our bodies function. Pueraria Mirifica would work with your body to restore those estrogens to optimal levels, and in a relatively short amount of time. Perhaps this will result in less DHT production.

That's my understanding, though I highly recommend watching that full video when you get a chance of Dr. Sandy's lecture on PM.

lustucru--

Not 13-year old puberty, but moreso the tail-end, when we're at our physical peak (18-21). Should have qualified that statement a bit. As for the pimples, that is due to the anti-microbial activity of RejuvePlex--a lot of folks, including myself, get the occasional pimple or two from this topical (or other anti-microbial treatments). It's a sign of bacterial and parasitical die-off, and it does go away. Basically, a cleanse of your pores. This generally appears to result in less inflammation/itchiness.

nidhogge wrote:So, 112Degrees is probably the safe bet, though you'll want to call and request the 12-bottle wholesale deal to get it for 19.95 apiece.

is this the one included in rejuveplex? or, are we getting an equivalent amount per application?

thanks!

We stand by all the information on our website as 100 per cent accurate.
We are shocked and absolutely flabbergasted that Mr Sandford would come
here and make bold broad statements like this. I know there are
many in the industry that question this gentleman's credentials. Whatever
they may actually be and if he actually is a doctor...for god sake he would never
be my doctor. Get a life!

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OI1965 wrote:We stand by all the information on our website as 100 per cent accurate.
We are shocked and absolutely flabbergasted that Mr Sandford would come
here and make bold broad statements like this. I know there are
many in the industry that question this gentleman's credentials. Whatever
they may actually be and if he actually is a doctor...for god sake he would never
be my doctor. Get a life!

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OI1965 wrote:We stand by all the information on our website as 100 per cent accurate.
We are shocked and absolutely flabbergasted that Mr Sandford would come
here and make bold broad statements like this. I know there are
many in the industry that question this gentleman's credentials. Whatever
they may actually be and if he actually is a doctor...for god sake he would never
be my doctor. Get a life!

This action was prompted a an email sent to us by a forum member

We stand by our website in totality.





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You know many in the industry that question his credentials? What industry? Who doubts his credentials? You do realize that you can call the school that he obtained his MD from and verify his credentials for yourself, don't you? If you can't do something as simple as that, then how competent are you to say what is 100% accurate or inaccurate?

*edit*

Dr. Sandy's reply: "Out of all the practitioners in the US, Robert Atkins chose me to be his first and only partner. 10,000 patients waited to see me. And tell him, it's Dr. Sandford."

"And warn him that we have the only Pm that is classified by Thai FDA as Level III and has permission to place HRT relief on the label. The Thai FDA Director, issued us (and only us), written permission."

Dear Dr Schwartz


Sir you are indeed my hero, a legend, the greatest pueraria mirifica guru in the whole wide world. My god the Thai FDA
has set a standard for the whole world. American and Europe are simply in awe of them. What an incredibly advanced society.
You are the only person in the whole wide world that can collect the correct species of Pueraria Mirifca from the wild. Simply amazing!!!!!!
Those silly Thais just can't do anything. Your achievements are incredibly stellar. At some point in time maybe more than a fraction of a per cent of people in this world or even the US will even know what it is. Hang in there!




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OI1965 wrote:Dear Dr Schwartz


Sir you are indeed my hero, a legend, the greatest pueraria mirifica guru in the whole wide world. My god the Thai FDA
has set a standard for the whole world. American and Europe are simply in awe of them. What an incredibly advanced society.
You are the only person in the whole wide world that can collect the correct species of Pueraria Mirifca from the wild. Simply amazing!!!!!!
Those silly Thais just can't do anything. Your achievements are incredibly stellar. At some point in time maybe more than a fraction of a per cent of people in this world or even the US will even know what it is. Hang in there!




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Any chance of actually taking this person or what they represent seriously was destroyed by this post. If a coherent counter-arguement was made I'd be all ears.

what are all these usernames with a bunch of letters followed by a bunch of numbers?

JJB9050 wrote:

OI1965 wrote:

I hate to bring this thread back on topic, but here goes... haha

Nidhogge-- I went to the website you have listed and read the stuff on there, as well as followed a few links. This is what I have found so far:

In favor--I did see one really good interview were it was explained that this stuff will either increase estrogen if you have too little or downregulate if you have too much. That is why in some studies it seems to help women who are in various stages of menopuase rather than just the stage where they are low on estrogen and need more.

against--However, why would some users of rejuveplex (I at least know of one) be experiencing nipple tenderness/gyno? And why does Purearia mirifica have so many uses to increase estrogen? Women use this to dramatically increase breast size, to soften their skin, and so forth via topical application (and in order to get these effects estrogen needs to be increased) Now, I can't imagine that every women has an estrogen deficiency in their skin and breasts (it said that upwards of 80 to 90 percent of women got results from topical application)and this would lead me to think that puresterol simply increases estrogen, and doesn't act as a downregulator. This is also backed up in their explanation of why it is good to apply for hair loss--they say it can inhibit DHT via the raised estrogen that then counters testosterone which then does not convert into such high quantities of DHT. I am confused, I thought this site was all about combating hair loss by any means BUT trying to inhibit DHT. I am quite touchy about inhibiting DHT because Propecia has really screwed me, and I am extremely hesitant to buy something that claims to inhibit testosterone and DHT. I would not be scared of this product, even with the conflicting info being provided, if some of the rejuveplex users had not said they were getting sore nipples when they applied too much. This really, really scares me because if even one really sensitive person is getting that effect from it then it means it is effecting us all to some extent, and even if we don't show the side effects now, we surely will down the rode.

So there you go. In the best of all worlds, I would love to see this stuff taken out as soon as possible and put into an optional additive. But if that can't happen, I don't know if reducing it might be good, at least to see if it really is one of the ingredients that is helping people reduce shedding. I would certainly like to here everything Dr. Sandy knows about how this works rather than just saying "nipple tenderness will go away with continued use". That is exactly what propecia told us--any side effects will go away with continued use, which couldn't have been any further from the truth.

I hope it doesn't seem like I have some strange bias against this puresterol but I really just think messing with hormones is no good. As far as myself, I think I have been getting a little breast tenderness with using it, but then again maybe not, it's just too hard to tell at this point but I will keep you posted. Just something to think about I guess, but if this stuff is really one of the powerful ingredients in rejuveplex that is helping us to keep our hair I think it deserves a fair trial before we take any action for or against. That said, we need to keep in mind that it may actually increase estrogen in some individuals, and too much estrogen is another thing that can cause hair loss.

The amount was reduced since that complaint. It's really about the dosage here.

the amount was reduced? I thought Nidhogge said it would not be reduced, but used at Dr. Sandy's recommended dosage.

johnnytremaine wrote:the amount was reduced? I thought Nidhogge said it would not be reduced, but used at Dr. Sandy's recommended dosage.

What I can tell you is that per my conversation with him was that it was decided to reduce the dose to prevent any side-effect. The date or timing might have been different.