Candida Control , fast questions for CS

first I want to thank you for the good work and dedication .. this site helped a lot I wish it keeps going.


I am suspecting that I have candida overgrowth and I am seeking to control it , I looked into some posts and decided to use the followings to increase the hair regimen effectiveness and overall health :

butyric acid
http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-ButyrAid-100-Tablets/8510?at=0


Iodine
http://www.iherb.com/TPCS-Iosol-Formula-II-1-fl-oz-30-ml/4785?at=0


Niacinamide
http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Niacinamide-500-mg-100-Capsules/2036?at=0


Probiotics
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Jarro-Dophilus-EPS-5-Billion-Organisms-per-Capsule-120-Veggie-Caps/7006?at=0

N-Acetyl Cysteine
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-NAC-250-Capsules/694?at=0


how effective this will be ? what is your suggestions on doses and times ? is there a need to add other things like ohhira's Probiotics or something else ? any other thoughts on this subject ?

Try coconut and oregano oil, garlic and sea salt. Powerfull stuffs.

Check out also Little Fighter's recommendations regarding probiotics and prebiotics.

This has helped me a lot.

I feel that making your own kefir is way more beneficial than taking a probiotic supplement

AboDi - Everyone tends to respond a little differently to specific probiotics. The routine you've got there should help. Beyond that, what you do not eat for the first few weeks will have a large impact as well.

Sugar and grains should be restriction for a few weeks while batting the overgrowth.

Time wise, it should not matter so much, except that probiotics should be taken on an empty stomach.

So, Dr Graham is saying to keep fat levels in the blood low, to consume less fat because fat in the blood coats everything just as it coats the marbles in his demonstration. I didn't know fat behaved in the blood stream as it does when poured over marbles, something doesn't sound right in this picture. I can't wait to get CS's opinion on this!!

I was just waiting for him to quote a study from the "nutritional stone ages," and sure enough he did!

1959 Journal of American Medical Association. In 1959, collectively, scientists new next to nothing about lipid biochemistry.

In fact, back then, they just called fat, a single term, just fat.

As always, the devil is in the details. Sweeping generalizations of fat without any distinction about the type of fat.
In 1959, just one or two people in the world even understood that there are differences between long, medium and short chain fatty acids.

No one understood how these oils were affected by heat, light or oxygen, much less lipid peroxidation, etc.

Also, a glaring omission is the fact that many fats are not so bad when one doesn't consume sugar!
Diabetes was virtually non-existent before the advent of white sugar.

Fats such as unadulterated LA, ALA, Saturated fat, Oleic acid GLA.

Also, another flaw in the video is the statement about fruit. Not everyone can eat all the fruit they want. Some can and others cannot. Glucose and triglyceride levels will reveal the truth.

It might amaze some also to see what happens those who consume a lot of smoothies from juice bars. Unless you're a "carb" type, it's going to be difficult to be in optimal health on these.

80-10-10 works for tropical ancestry, but Nordic ancestry will not thrive usually from this kind of diet.

CausticSymmetry wrote:
1959 Journal of American Medical Association. In 1959, collectively, scientists new next to nothing about lipid biochemistry.

-CS
What about all the other studies that show fats and oils downregulate the insulin-receptor? Or the works of Dr. Neal Barnard (the only doctor on record to reverse diabetes/insulin-resistance)? What is your take on this?

by misterE on Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:56 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
1959 Journal of American Medical Association. In 1959, collectively, scientists new next to nothing about lipid biochemistry.




-CS
What about all the other studies that show fats and oils downregulate the insulin-receptor? Or the works of Dr. Neal Barnard (the only doctor on record to reverse diabetes/insulin-resistance)? What is your take on this?

MisterE - Dr. Bernard's credibility is suspect. Besides working toward an anti-meat eating agenda with his Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and its intimate ties relationship to PETA, none of Dr. Bernard's studies has ever had a control group. So, basically he can make any claim he wants, he could even claim his diet cures cancer.

misterE - It is true that certain types of fats can down regulate the insulin receptor, but not all fats, and the quantity is important.

Insufficient parental fatty acid intake can result in depletion of oxygen transfer, which means if you're low on these fats, one-third of your cell membranes will be dysfunctional, and will impede oxygen flow.

CausticSymmetry wrote:
80-10-10 works for tropical ancestry, but Nordic ancestry will not thrive usually from this kind of diet.

I am still unable to find any evidence of the ancestral diet, blood type diet or any of such. Look at this study here:

Dietary fat and insulin sensitivity in a triethnic population: the role of obesity. The Insulin Resistance Atherosclerosis Study
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/65/1/79

They compared the intake of various types of fats in 3 races of people and compared their insulin. All three races had a similar amount of fat intake, yet the same association between fats and insulin resistance was noted:

"These findings were consistent in men and women of non-Hispanic white, African-American, and Hispanic ethnicity, with normal glucose tolerance, IGT, and previously undiagnosed NIDDM."

If the racial/ancestral diet was true, wouldn't studies like these come out and say "Wow, we found out that whites were able to handle some types of fats without any loss of insulin sensitivity, while blacks and mexicans became more insulin resistant when they ate a high-fat diet." Nope, instead, the only association they find is that obese people tend to have less tolerance for high fat diets, they find no association when it comes to race.

Espio - I believe part of the confusion for the crowd who are leery about fat is that when carbohydrate and fat are consumed together, yes the fat doesn't help matters.

However, when fat is consumed in abundance with low carbohydrate, insulin resistance is ameliorated.

The picture can be even more complicated if the quality of the fat is assessed, but nevertheless, I agree that fat will complicate insulin resistance--but only when consumed with enough carbohydrate.

I believe the bottom line is, go with what makes you feel best.

misterE has mentioned in a few threads about a certain doctor is allegedly the only doctor 'proven' to reverse diabetes with a diet like this, but there are thousands of doctors who have reversed diabetes with a high fat, low carbohydrate diet.

CausticSymmetry wrote:
when fat is consumed in abundance with low carbohydrate, insulin resistance is ameliorated.

Ameliorated, but not cured. Obviously if a person has insulin-resistance and reduces their insulin-secretion (by avoiding carbohydrates) they can avoid the symptoms of insulin-resistance, but you can never actually cure the disease until one stops trying to tame the symptoms and starts looking at why their insulin is "resistant" in the first-place. As the evidence shows dietary-fat (along with a lack of dietary-fiber and exercise) causes the "resistance".

CausticSymmetry wrote:
misterE has mentioned in a few threads about a certain doctor is allegedly the only doctor 'proven' to reverse diabetes with a diet like this, but there are thousands of doctors who have reversed diabetes with a high fat, low carbohydrate diet.

CS, please give us the name of a doctor (and their study) who has reversed, not ameliorated, diabetes using a high-fat/low-carb diet.

misterE - I really do not want to spend to much time on these subjects because they are pretty minor to other subjects, especially given all the time already spent on them.

Fact is, I've seen well over a thousand test results myself of diabetics being treated for diabetes. If I had the time and the motivation I could provide at least a hundred doctors who treat diabetes with a diet that is low carb, high fat. However, diabetes does not always respond to diet alone. I'll name one doctor for now who you already know--he uses mostly diet and he uses different diets depending on their metabolic type. Dr. Mercola (Surprised? I am sure you are not).

Our environment and other factors are so different, that other factors play a part, especially for brittle diabetics.

Seriously, treating diabetes is far more complex than diet alone. When I get around to it, I will finish a rather lengthy article on it.

I will just state for now, that different people respond to different diets with diabetes. Some low fat, high carb, others high fat, low carb.

CausticSymmetry wrote:treating diabetes is far more complex than diet alone.

Dr. Neal Barnard has reversed diabetes using diet alone.

misterE - Diet can usually work for 90%, it's the other 10% who need some other help (sometimes, it's the oral pathology or they are electrically sensitive, too much "dirty" electricity in their home).

Reversing diabetes is usually pretty easy with the right diet, and that includes high fat, low carb.

CausticSymmetry wrote:misterE - Diet can usually work for 90%, it's the other 10% who need some other help (sometimes, it's the oral pathology or they are electrically sensitive, too much "dirty" electricity in their home).

Surely diabetes was around before electricity or oral-fillings. Diabetes can be reversed using diet and exercise as shown by Dr. Neal Barnard.

CausticSymmetry wrote:
Reversing diabetes is usually pretty easy with the right diet, and that includes high fat, low carb.

Actually I have never seen any evidence what-so-ever that a high-fat/low-carb diet reverses diabetes! Yes there are plenty of studies that show you reduce the symptoms or ameliorate the disease as you put it, but not one single study or one single doctor who has come forth showing you can completely reverse the disease using a high-fat/low-carb diet. Dr. Mercola has not reversed diabetes using a high-fat/low-carb diet nor has he claimed he has either.

I’m still waiting for Mercola to regrow his hair. Maybe if he switched to the Ornish-diet he would sprout an afro like Ornish!

Surely diabetes was around before electricity or oral-fillings. Diabetes can be reversed using diet and exercise as shown by Dr. Neal Barnard.

Barnard is a quack, and none of his studies hold any weight in the scientific community whatsoever. His studies barely even qualify as science, they are admitted and unapologetic propaganda, just like the China study. Bringing up Barnard on a natural health forum is like bringing up Legos on an architecture forum.

Actually I have never seen any evidence what-so-ever that a high-fat/low-carb diet reverses diabetes!

Why not just finally admit that you don't read any replies that you find inconvenient? There have been tens of studies offered to you over the months, I remember one member offering up nearly twenty links in one reply alone a few months ago. Of course you haven't seen any evidence, you never bother to read anything.

-TheFunkyStumpfighter

What is the name of the doctor who reversed diabetes using a high-fat/low-carb diet? This is a simple question for you... can you give me a name or not?

I've already admitted that you can reduce the symptoms of insulin-resistance by eating a low-carb diet (as many studies show), but you cannot reverse the disease by eating a high-fat/low-carb diet, if you can... why hasn't any doctor taken credit for it?

Dr. Neal Barnard has proven it can be done using a extremely-low-fat vegan diet. If there is another way it can be done (like eating a high-fat/low-carb diet), I assure you some doctor would defiantly take advantage of it, make it known to the public and take credit for it, just like Dr. Barnard has with the diet he recommends, but that time has yet to come. Dr. Atkins made claims that his diet (which is a high-fat/low-carb) could reverse not only diabetes but also heart-disease... but showed absolutely no evidence to support his claims.

I'm not going to do the work for you, you have ignored it at every point in the past on this forum and nearly everyone here but you seems to recognize that. There has been more counterpoints provided for you on this forum than to any person on any forum I've seen in my 15 years of internet use. You want proof? Read nearly every thread you've tried to make a point in, they're all filled with solid counterpoints to the awfully thin "proof" you continuously provide.

Dr. Barnard is a propaganda monger, nothing more. Everyone who knows anything about the man knows his "studies" are garbage, same as the China "study".


READ MisterE, read the replies you receive and you may not look like you have amnesia in every thread you post in.

All I asked for was a name! Yet no one here in the forum can give me a name of a doctor who has shown to reverse diabetes on a high-fat/low-carb diet... but they still recommend people eat this way.

TheFunkyStumpfighter claims that Dr. Neal Barnard and members of The China Study spread propaganda but what are they trying to accomplish? Trying to get more people to eat more fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole-grains and exercise more doesn't sound like propaganda to me. They are not trying to sell any products or supplements. What sounds like propaganda are things like "you need your meat and eggs for protein" "drink milk for your bones" and other silly things that we are told from the multi-billion dollar meat and dairy industry. Of course the processed-food industry plays a huge (negative) part as well.

This is a hair forum not a vegan propaganda forum.

TheFunkyStumpfighter claims that Dr. Neal Barnard and members of The China Study spread propaganda but what are they trying to accomplish? Trying to get more people to eat more fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole-grains and exercise more doesn't sound like propaganda to me. They are not trying to sell any products or supplements.

haha, watch out, you're getting deeper into your own shit:

Directo wrote:If he has something to sell surely: Click for $$$

Neal Barnard is a fraud:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0812/S00041.htm

misterE wrote:What sounds like propaganda are things like "you need your meat and eggs for protein" "drink milk for your bones" and other silly things that we are told from the multi-billion dollar meat and dairy industry. Of course the processed-food industry plays a huge (negative) part as well.

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html

Maybe a ban for Halloween?

Wow Directo, great link!

MisterE, would you care to respond to these statements?

"My main concern, however, is that some of the claims made by the author are over-rated; in particular, to imply that Type 1 diabetes can be reversed is mischievous."

"Also, it is worth pointing out that there are many dietary approaches that can help manage diabetes and it is not essential to follow a low-fat vegan diet - which many people may find hard to stick to. The key for managing Type 2 diabetes is maintaining a healthy weight and this can be achieved without having to resort to a vegan diet."


"Not all diabetes can be reversed and therefore the title of this book is misleading. Type 1 diabetes mellitus (~5% of cases) is irreversible; the more common Type 2 diabetes mellitus may be reversible in the early stages.


"The term "reverse" diabetes is potentially misleading and most diabetes health professionals prefer to use the description "well controlled" when metabolic indicators such as HbA1c (a longer term laboratory measure of blood glucose control) and blood lipids fall within normal ranges

I believe your Neil Banard argument has been exposed as fraud. He's offers nothing more than one of *MANY* diets that can help "control" diabetes (IF you buy his book). Not very impressive.

Perhaps you'll have to find a new vegan hero to spam us about next.

Wow Directo, I just read the third link you provided. Great stuff!

MisterE, here is another statement about your hero:

"In NCAHF's view, PCRM [led by Neal Barnard, MD] is a propaganda machine whose press conferences are charades for disguising its ideology as news events."

MisterE, I believe whatever argument you had has been shattered, torn to shreds and burned to ash, but please, enlighten us on why so many doctors and nutritionists would say such things about your knight in shining armor.