Is mpb a visual indicator of poor health?

Whenever I look at someone with a receding hairline, the first thought that comes to mind is that it looks unhealthy. If nature was trying to proving some kind of visual marker for women to avoid partners with genetic predisposition to disease, what better way? Are we being selected against?

Paradox - Just a theory, but based on observation of sick people in general--they all have their inherent weaknesses.

I suppose one advantage we have is a forewarning that something is wrong (insulin resitance, thyroid, cardiovascular) in the future that we can prevent.

Good point CS. Way to see the glass half-full. I'm not feelin the optimism so much today.

On a related note, I was thinking about how many men with AA had high hairlines as children... how some men go bald in high school (teens)... and wondering how this all fits together with the diseases you mentioned. Why would the child have a high hairline before any onset of disease? Is it safe to say that there is (and could never be) no such thing as an individual with hair loss who was otherwise 100% healthy? I guess the problem lies in separating the genetic from environmental. How much is environmental (goitrogens, diet, toxins, etc.), and how much is just genetic? How much can reducing the environmental triggers keep genes from winning the fight? I don't suppose anyone knows the answers to these things for sure.

Dude, many perfectly healthy guys have receding hairlines.
Its a simple genetic trait. No amount of vitamins, special diets, herbs, laseres, and potions is going to change this. It here to stay, or it would have been history with natural selection.

Paradox wrote:Whenever I look at someone with a receding hairline, the first thought that comes to mind is that it looks unhealthy. If nature was trying to proving some kind of visual marker for women to avoid partners with genetic predisposition to disease, what better way? Are we being selected against?

Male pattern baldness is associated with atherosclerosis, diabetes, and prostate-enlargement [1] [2] [3].

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr. Neal Barnard have reversed atherosclerosis by puttering their patients on a low-fat/high-fiber carbohydrate based vegan diet.



[1] Association of benign prostatic hyperplasia with male pattern baldness.
[2] Androgenetic alopecia and insulin resistance in young men.
[3] Male pattern baldness and coronary heart disease: the Physicians' Health Study.

Paradox,

Visually, you'll notice those with hair loss also tend to have problems with their teeth.

An easy way to look into this further is to study why these people have poor teeth. "Many" reasons IMO related to diet such gluten, low molybdenum/magnesium (possibly due to lyme), etc.. Lyme disease is much greater than anyone could imagine, IMO.

jdp701 wrote:Paradox,

Visually, you'll notice those with hair loss also tend to have problems with their teeth.

An easy way to look into this further is to study why these people have poor teeth. "Many" reasons IMO related to diet such gluten, low molybdenum/magnesium (possibly due to lyme), etc.. Lyme disease is much greater than anyone could imagine, IMO.

That's interesting jdp, I've never made that observation. I definitely don't fit that bill... only 1 or 2 small cavities in my life. Dr. Mercola is cue-ball and has good teeth. He was saying why he thought he lost his hair in some video I was watching (can't remember what it was on). I believe it was taking/eating too much of something when he was younger. I wish I could remember exactly.

Polluted wrote: Dude, many perfectly healthy guys have receding hairlines.
Its a simple genetic trait. No amount of vitamins, special diets, herbs, laseres, and potions is going to change this. It here to stay, or it would have been history with natural selection.

How is it that you're certain they are 100% healthy? Why don't you think that natural selection continues as we speak. It takes long periods of time for evolutionary change. How could you possibly consider someone having an autoimmune condition (AA) 'perfectly healthy'. Would the immune system of a healthy person attack an organ? I know it's not a confidence booster to acknowledge you may fit in that category, but you have to be realistic. There may be different causes at play in different individuals with AA, but if I had to bet... I'd put my money on 'not absolutely healthy'.

Hey Paradox,

I've never had a cavity in my life. However, what I was getting at was to check the color of your teeth. Are they white or do they tend to be a bit yellow ... more yellow = more aggressive hair loss. Some can have brown spots or white spots on teeth as well but most tend to be yellow and sometimes plaque accumulation (lack of K2 due to various reasons).

What makes you think andogenetic alopecia in an autoimmune disorder? I am talking about classic balding in NW scale pattern. Can you dirrect me to medical journals that classify it as an auto immune disorder.

Yes, interesting Mr, E. But when has male pattern loss ever been reversed by a vegatarian diet?

Paradox wrote:

jdp701 wrote:Paradox,

Visually, you'll notice those with hair loss also tend to have problems with their teeth.

An easy way to look into this further is to study why these people have poor teeth. "Many" reasons IMO related to diet such gluten, low molybdenum/magnesium (possibly due to lyme), etc.. Lyme disease is much greater than anyone could imagine, IMO.

That's interesting jdp, I've never made that observation. I definitely don't fit that bill... only 1 or 2 small cavities in my life. Dr. Mercola is cue-ball and has good teeth. He was saying why he thought he lost his hair in some video I was watching (can't remember what it was on). I believe it was taking/eating too much of something when he was younger. I wish I could remember exactly.

Ha! I'm guessing he said soy.

JosephineMarie wrote:

Paradox wrote:

jdp701 wrote:Paradox,

Visually, you'll notice those with hair loss also tend to have problems with their teeth.

An easy way to look into this further is to study why these people have poor teeth. "Many" reasons IMO related to diet such gluten, low molybdenum/magnesium (possibly due to lyme), etc.. Lyme disease is much greater than anyone could imagine, IMO.

That's interesting jdp, I've never made that observation. I definitely don't fit that bill... only 1 or 2 small cavities in my life. Dr. Mercola is cue-ball and has good teeth. He was saying why he thought he lost his hair in some video I was watching (can't remember what it was on). I believe it was taking/eating too much of something when he was younger. I wish I could remember exactly.

Ha! I'm guessing he said soy.

Actually I remember he attributed his baldness to grains.

Yes to dr. mercola. I remember it do, he said you use to be a high carb grain addict...

Would merola still have hair if he knew what he knew now? Hmm I doubt it.

IF you have strong hair loss genes, i think its inevitable no matter what one does within means

blackjack wrote:Yes to dr. mercola. I remember it do, he said you use to be a high carb grain addict...

Would merola still have hair if he knew what he knew now? Hmm I doubt it.

Me too... probably he would still have some hair, but this is more complex than that I believe.

jdp701 wrote:Paradox,

Visually, you'll notice those with hair loss also tend to have problems with their teeth.

An easy way to look into this further is to study why these people have poor teeth. "Many" reasons IMO related to diet such gluten, low molybdenum/magnesium (possibly due to lyme), etc.. Lyme disease is much greater than anyone could imagine, IMO.

You forgot: acidic-calcium-leeching-animal-protein. The number-one cause of bone-loss!

Polluted wrote:Yes, interesting Mr, E. But when has male pattern loss ever been reversed by a vegatarian diet?

The low-fat/high-fiber carbohydrate based vegan diet has been shown by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr. Neal Barnard to completely reverse cardiovascular disease and diabetes...So it will probably help heal your body, giving you the best chance of regrowing hair; it will completely stop sebum production. And Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap will remove the years and years of sebum build-up. I have noticed regrowth. And I have reversed my type-two-diabetes, high-cholesterol and high-blood pressure using this diet!

misterE- The notion that animal products leads to bone loss as not only been unproven, it's been debunked.

The reality of acid alkaline balance is far different in reality than what vegan propagandists have been implying in their books.

This book is representative of the healthiest people before the introduction of processed food.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

CausticSymmetry wrote:This book is representative of the healthiest people before the introduction of processed food.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

Couldn't agree with you more CausticSymmetry!

in that case. Why wouldn't that be an indicator of bad health in females?

jocko59,

PCOS being one example.