Dutasteride or Finasteride?

i'm thinking of starting 1 of these very soon, i see alot of the reactions negatively towards the side effects of avodart. i tried it in the past didn't stay on it long enough to notice perhaps. never tried the fin before. i also wonder about applying the avodart topically how much that would hurt. i am currently using lasers, need something else to kick start my hair>

any advice? i don't really want to go the natural route only> i read & know the options, i will try some but i want some results by summer, so i need something good now.

Note CS's post of blocking DHT with Propecia

https://immortalhair.forumotion.com/natural-hair-regrowth-forum-f1/hello-i-am-new-and-very-overwhelmed-t588.htm

are these side effects that it has on your body still in effect, when its used topically? i heard that it can work well that way.

Why do not you try some DHT Blocker topic ? Fluridil (Eucapil), Spiro Topic (or S5 Cream), Flutamide or the powerfull RU58841

to be honest..
as much as I'm learning, studying CS and others (jdp, prague, huli, blackjack, north europe.....etc) the natural route, im still taking fin and propecia but at a lower amount. Until i get my body internals in shape ONE STEP at a time, I do not feel natural route will work and in the meantime i will lose hair....I realized that i might have many issues to deal with naturally and each one is a step at a time to fix. this might take 1 or 2 years.....

but i know and want minox/fin to be over with at some point....i hope soon!

also, ataman suggested folligen to me as well which i think i'm going to try very soon...

Steven_Tyler wrote:Why do not you try some DHT Blocker topic ? Fluridil (Eucapil), Spiro Topic (or S5 Cream), Flutamide or the powerfull RU58841

Never tryed Eucapil, looks rather interesting> anybody had any results with it?
i'd try this.

spiro topical is the worst stuff ever, the smell is not worth any effort.

flutamine:don't know much about but i thought it's oral.

That Ru58841 is not available & in a research stage. from what i can tell

RobHealthMan wrote:
also, ataman suggested folligen to me as well which i think i'm going to try very soon...

this folligen looks promising also they have alot of products? which are you trying.
i been using spectral d.nc. isn't that alot similar to this or am i way off?

These drugs are band-aids, and will never solve the problem central to the condition. That condition is oxygenation to the tissue, which is compromised by oxidation reactions often due to insulin resistance or thyroid dysfunction.

yep...totally with you CS.

for me, while i'm learning, listening and fixing my issues (probably hypothyroid, adrenals, flouride/bromine....) I am taking lesser doses....and slowly getting to the point of not taking it at all

CausticSymmetry wrote:These drugs are band-aids, and will never solve the problem central to the condition. That condition is oxygenation to the tissue, which is compromised by oxidation reactions often due to insulin resistance or thyroid dysfunction.

Holy freaking cow!!! Did I hear you right, lol?!?! I've been thinking about this casually for "many" months due to Dr. D.C. Jarvis and Paul Bragg lack of hair loss.

"Potassium attracts oxygen to tissues; lack of it reduces tissue oxygenation."

http://www.rainbowminerals.net/Minerals/potassium.html

It sure explains A LOT! Sure would explain hair loss acting like an autoimmune condition.

Occam's razor ....

jdp710 - It sounds funny, but this is a subject we really haven't delved into all that much despite its huge importance.

I used to wonder why all the treatments we use happen to be good for cancer prevention (not to mention heart disease) which are conditions that directly associated with oxygen starvation (hypoxia).

Since all cancers always have a low thyroid component, it makes sense since cancer is a process of asphyxiation. Our energy conversion slowly converts to an anaerobic system, instead of an aerobic one.

Otto Warburg, who originally came up with the hypoxia-cancer cell connection, whereby cancer cells are oxygen deficient, because they use a process of fermentation of sugars (they derive from the kidneys and liver).

Normal aerobic cellular respiration of course uses ATP energy, and in Otto Warburg's hypothesis was a waining production ATP through anaerobic glycolysis.

Thyroid problems usually cause a depletion of stomach acid, which ultimately contribute to acid condition in the cells (this by the way probably won't make sense to most pro-alkaline balance fans, but that's another story).

This really is amazing information!

its seems even those who come up normal in tests for thyroid are NOT normal for thyroid and probably hypo...

i might be one of them!

jdp710 wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:These drugs are band-aids, and will never solve the problem central to the condition. That condition is oxygenation to the tissue, which is compromised by oxidation reactions often due to insulin resistance or thyroid dysfunction.

Holy freaking cow!!! Did I hear you right, lol?!?! I've been thinking about this casually for "many" months due to Dr. D.C. Jarvis and Paul Bragg lack of hair loss.

"Potassium attracts oxygen to tissues; lack of it reduces tissue oxygenation."

http://www.rainbowminerals.net/Minerals/potassium.html

It sure explains A LOT! Sure would explain hair loss acting like an autoimmune condition.

Occam's razor ....

Are we getting enough potassium in our diets? I don't see any potassium supplements in our regimens. What does IH think about this?

Abhi - There is a member on here, metro who said he switched to potassium chloride salt and felt it might have made a
difference. After that announcement, I tried rubbing in potassium chloride powder into my scalp. It felt pretty good, the only problem was, it made me stick terribly.

The same thing happened when I took a bunch ACV tablets.

So there's using potassium chloride salt or taking apple cider vinegar.

I think the best thing is to take something like Wright Salt, which is a salt made of potassium chloride, magnesium, lysine, iodine (read more about it in the blog below).

I had previously thought that sea salt, Himalayan salt and Celtic were good. However, I recently changed my mind when I found that most of the time, these harvested, unrefined salts are "too old" to be active with respect to being electrically charged.

That all said, I updated an earlier article I wrote on salt. Here it is below:

http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/show/2090441-salt-restriction-increases-risk-of-death

CausticSymmetry wrote:Abhi - There is a member on here, metro who said he switched to potassium chloride salt and felt it might have made a
difference. After that announcement, I tried rubbing in potassium chloride powder into my scalp. It felt pretty good, the only problem was, it made me stick terribly.

The same thing happened when I took a bunch ACV tablets.

So there's using potassium chloride salt or taking apple cider vinegar.

I think the best thing is to take something like Wright Salt, which is a salt made of potassium chloride, magnesium, lysine, iodine (read more about it in the blog below).

I had previously thought that sea salt, Himalayan salt and Celtic were good. However, I recently changed my mind when I found that most of the time, these harvested, unrefined salts are "too old" to be active with respect to being electrically charged.

That all said, I updated an earlier article I wrote on salt. Here it is below:

http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/show/2090441-salt-restriction-increases-risk-of-death

So that pink Himalayan salt from trader joe's is no good, IH?

I've been getting my potassium from drinking ACV in water everyday. It tastes pretty bad, but I just shoot it down and I'm done with it. One word of warning, you will smell it if you go work out at the gym shortly after taking it. You sweat it out and it has an odor.

hadrion - I haven't been to fond of drinking (chasing) down ACV. I've done it in the past, but I got to the point where it was too much--just didn't look forward to it.

It was only the ACV tablets that created the smell. I couldn't tell personally, it was my GF that informed me about it at the time. I'm not aware if regular ACV had any smell effect.

An expert in blood chemistry had analyzed the Himalayan and sea salts, and they are usually devoid of an electric charge.

It seems the best alternative to table salt is Wright Salt. Considering how impressive Finnish or Wright salt is, reducing cause of death by 70% is pretty amazing.

hadrion,

It's said that some Himalayan salts are regular road salt as well. Buy quality. I buy mine from americanbluegreen.com ... expensive but is good. Swansons brand is horrible. Too much sand and seems something is wrong/different compared to americanbluegreen.com

I also bought some Wright salt a couple days ago when CS first brought it up. The information on it is great but am hoping the taste is ok.

Abhi,

I'm very big on potassium but only noticed the hair benefits with change in diet. Another reason why I've recommended diet over anything else.

I've mentioned before but diet is all that's needed. If still having a problem focus on aldosteronism (e.g. potassium but need magnesium as well).

It is quite conceivable that allergens damage the kidneys' ability to retain potassium.

It stimulates the kidneys to eliminate poisonous body wastes

correction of thyroid hormone levels results in correction of potassium levels.

Correcting the potassium deficiency corrected the calcium imbalance ... it took 3 months of daily potassium supplementation (600-1200 mgs/day)

http://www.ithyroid.com/potassium.htm

The replete body contains about 75 times as much potassium or more as is usually in the processed diet, so if it is increased


http://www.ithyroid.com/arthritis_and_potassium.htm

I'm edging towards beta-sitosterol, lignans, Nizoral and a better diet/lifestyle as my "quick fix" and then this buys me time and helps me regrow so I can concentrate on the real issue(s)

coming from a long-term user of Saw Palmetto/Beta Sisterol .... it's horrible in what it does to your body ... less hormones.

I'd recommend to try other DHT blockers ... maybe astaxanthin, etc..

jdp710 - Very good info on the potassium thyroid connection!

Naturally when refined sugars are consumed, potassium levels drop. Carbohydrate can certainly elevate aldosterone, leading to low potassium levels as well. Low magnesium levels result in an increased aldosterone secretion.

As a consequence, this drives hydrogen ions, reducing sodium bicarbonate production in cells, which is not optimal for cellular respiration.

CS-taken from your topic

"If the body is supplied with sufficient vitamin C, it can supply electrons to a salt that has subsequently run out, or is in need of a recharge"

so even regular salts can be consumed in the presence of vit C?

CausticSymmetry wrote:
As a consequence, this drives hydrogen ions, reducing sodium bicarbonate production in cells, which is not optimal for cellular respiration.

What do you think of ACV+baking soda longterm as hairloss treatment?

CausticSymmetry wrote:jdp710 - Very good info on the potassium thyroid connection!

Here is another good quote

The effectiveness of potassium against arthritis could conceivably partly due to the ability of a potassium replete body to resist bacterial infection.

http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis2.html