Ecklonia Cava might actually be bad for hairloss

This study says that Ecklonia Cava increases IGF-1. It also states that it promotes hair growth: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24252083/

However this study states that men with vertex balding have higher levels of IGF-1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10827403/

So the 2nd study is saying that IGF-1 is basically not good because higher levels of it could make you bald. So if Ecklonia Cava increases IGF-1, it could actually be detrimental to hairloss.

Thoughts?

I hate science. There's always contradictory stuff they keep finding. For example, not long ago a study out of israel said that even if you drank just a little alcohol it is bad...you can get colon cancer. Apparently no amount of alcohol is good for your intestinal tract. But a just-published study out of australia says that 2 beers a day can keep the dementia bug away. So, if you drink your risk for getting dementia is considerably lowered but you're gonna die of colon cancer. You just gotta roll the dice and hope for the best. Same for that ecklonia...all you can do is try it and see what happens. If it's bad for the vertex area maybe make an ecklonia topical for the rest of the scalp and try something else for the vertex.

helpmyhair1 wrote:This study says that Ecklonia Cava increases IGF-1. It also states that it promotes hair growth: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24252083/

However this study states that men with vertex balding have higher levels of IGF-1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10827403/

So the 2nd study is saying that IGF-1 is basically not good because higher levels of it could make you bald. So if Ecklonia Cava increases IGF-1, it could actually be detrimental to hairloss.

Thoughts?

The devil is in the details here:

The short version, this is a non sequitur

To simply this a little, will use a basic analogy: Imagine the speed of a car is IGF-1 (one could think of growth also).
Then we can think of the other variable IGFBP-3 level (insulin-like growth factor binding protein 3), which would appropriately be the brakes of the car.

Before the hair part, let's use a more real life scenario, with acne vulgaris (acne).  insulin-like growth factor binding protein 3 inhibits the androgen-effects of elevated adolescent IGF-1. If IGFBP-3 is too low, the IGF-1 will be stunted, however, this is normally a good thing if it's elevated.  When stunted, acne will be real bad.

Generally the hair will not grow if IGF-1 is too low. DHT inhibits IGF-1, and when people experiment with the poisons, like Do-Trash_your-Ride or Finish-your-Ride, by lowering DHT, IGF-1 will go higher (then hair has a chance to grow)

That said because these endocrine poisons only "work" 60% of the time, is because balding men already have IGF-1 levels that are already too low to begin with, so any of the chemical castration cocktails will not make any difference.

"Conclusion: Older men with vertex balding have lower circulating levels of IGFBP-3 and higher levels of IGF-1 when controlling for IGFBP-3 level." in other words, IGFBP-3 limits IGF-1

The second study I posted says that IGFBP-3 is low while IGF-1 is high in balding men.

So does Ecklonia Cava raise IGFBP-3 or only IGF-1? If it can raise IGFBP-3, then I think it would be beneficial to hair.

helpmyhair1 wrote:The second study I posted says that IGFBP-3 is low while IGF-1 is high in balding men.

So does Ecklonia Cava raise IGFBP-3 or only IGF-1? If it can raise IGFBP-3, then I think it would be beneficial to hair.

Ecklonia cava does literally dozens of actions, including reducing acne and enhancing hair growth. I've taken since 2006. If there were a problem, it would be apparent by now.

That said, there is no available research on ECE relationship to IGFBP-3

CausticSymmetry wrote:

helpmyhair1 wrote:The second study I posted says that IGFBP-3 is low while IGF-1 is high in balding men.

So does Ecklonia Cava raise IGFBP-3 or only IGF-1? If it can raise IGFBP-3, then I think it would be beneficial to hair.

Ecklonia cava does literally dozens of actions, including reducing acne and enhancing hair growth. I've taken since 2006. If there were a problem, it would be apparent by now.

That said, there is no available research on ECE relationship to IGFBP-3

Would you say that the stay the EC's strongest attribute in regards to fighting hair loss is its ability to inhibit the activities of 5AR much like Finasteride except without the side effects? Because while I agree that Fin is a poison, it does seem to work for a lot of people out there. So if EC does something similar but isn't bad for you like Fin, then I can see it being a major player in the natural remedies for MPB. And it could even be almost a stand-alone solution because many people are maintaining/regrowing well with Fin on its own.

helpmyhair1 wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:

helpmyhair1 wrote:The second study I posted says that IGFBP-3 is low while IGF-1 is high in balding men.

So does Ecklonia Cava raise IGFBP-3 or only IGF-1? If it can raise IGFBP-3, then I think it would be beneficial to hair.

Ecklonia cava does literally dozens of actions, including reducing acne and enhancing hair growth. I've taken since 2006. If there were a problem, it would be apparent by now.

That said, there is no available research on ECE relationship to IGFBP-3

Would you say that the stay the EC's strongest attribute in regards to fighting hair loss is its ability to inhibit the activities of 5AR much like Finasteride except without the side effects? Because while I agree that Fin is a poison, it does seem to work for a lot of people out there. So if EC does something similar but isn't bad for you like Fin, then I can see it being a major player in the natural remedies for MPB. And it could even be almost a stand-alone solution because many people are maintaining/regrowing well with Fin on its own.

I'm not really a fan of inhibiting 5-AR, at least in the way finasteride/dutasteride work.

ECE for example works by oxidation reduction (which is a natural process), along with potent anti-inflammatory actions, it increases trans-cranial blood flow, boost VEGF, Nitric Oxide, increases alpha waves, inhibits run away cortisol and improve blood viscosity, inhibits MMP-9 and that's not even the half of it.

Meanwhile finasteride/dutasteride suppress through gene expressions/poisons the enzyme (not natural) and systemically alter natural steroid expression, which leads to kidney and neurological and endocrine problems.