anybody try pygeum bark?

Yeah I know these herbal remedies are nothing new but there are a few studies that say pygeum bark extract (actually atraric acid found in the bark) blocks dht better than finasteride. You can get pygeum anywhere but I wonder how much atraric acid is really in those capsules. Maybe it's possible to make your own tincture buy dissolving a shitload of capsules in alcohol. There's no side effects from pygeum except for some possible gastrointestinal upset so I might just take the capsules for a while and see where it gets me.

shaftless wrote:Yeah I know these herbal remedies are nothing new but there are a few studies that say pygeum bark extract (actually atraric acid found in the bark) blocks dht better than finasteride. You can get pygeum anywhere but I wonder how much atraric acid is really in those capsules. Maybe it's possible to make your own tincture buy dissolving a shitload of capsules in alcohol. There's no side effects from pygeum except for some possible gastrointestinal upset so I might just take the capsules for a while and see where it gets me.

Yes, as an ingredient in Ultra Natural Prostate Formula

It didn't do anything for me. That was when I used to believe blocking DHT caused hair loss

shaftless wrote:Yeah I know these herbal remedies are nothing new but there are a few studies that say pygeum bark extract (actually atraric acid found in the bark) blocks dht better than finasteride. You can get pygeum anywhere but I wonder how much atraric acid is really in those capsules. Maybe it's possible to make your own tincture buy dissolving a shitload of capsules in alcohol. There's no side effects from pygeum except for some possible gastrointestinal upset so I might just take the capsules for a while and see where it gets me.

Prior to 1999, I tried just about every DHT blocker at the time. Pygeum was one of them. It wasn't really worth the price and the effects were difficult to assess.

Have you or anybody here ever tried the pure Atraric Acid though?

" Acid is a potent androgen receptor antagonist and has a high affinity for the androgen receptor. It binds to it and even prevents the translocation, meaning no matter what the androgen receptor will not produce a reaction. Not many antiandrogens can do this. This also applies to even mutated androgen receptors. NBBS is also an antiandrogen from pygeum, but I am more interested in Atraric Acid. If you do a simple search online, there are various articles stating that it is an antiandrogen, prevents nuclear translocation, agonist of estrogen receptors, and even a possible cure for prostate cancer. There are research companies that produce it, but I cannot find anyone that can mass produce it. I can say without a doubt that Atraric Acid will be better than RU58841 and CB-03-01. Why? Because it is proven to prevent nuclear translocation of the androgen receptor, while the other two cannot. RU58841 and CB-03-01 just competitively bind to the androgen receptor which Atraric Acid does as well. "

CausticSymmetry wrote:

shaftless wrote:Yeah I know these herbal remedies are nothing new but there are a few studies that say pygeum bark extract (actually atraric acid found in the bark) blocks dht better than finasteride. You can get pygeum anywhere but I wonder how much atraric acid is really in those capsules. Maybe it's possible to make your own tincture buy dissolving a shitload of capsules in alcohol. There's no side effects from pygeum except for some possible gastrointestinal upset so I might just take the capsules for a while and see where it gets me.

Prior to 1999, I tried just about every DHT blocker at the time. Pygeum was one of them. It wasn't really worth the price and the effects were difficult to assess.

Imo finasteride blocks aprox 70 %, dutasteride blocks like 80% or something, and spiro blocks even more. finasteride doesnt seem to give much results, other than slowing down progreession for most and regrowth in a lucky few, dutasteride gives better results but more side effects, spiro seems to work the best for regrowth, but of course noone wants to take it cos it basically turns you into a women.

what im getting at is blocking DHT only seems to regrow hair if u totally block it with spiro, and that turns you into a women, allbeit a women with a tiny penis.

ergo blocking DHT is not a solution. we know what it does with chemicals. with naturals we are striving to get that high blockage like the chemicals, but if naturals acheive it, then u can also expect the same level of sides.

there has to be a better way. im hoping for answers when personalised medicine becomes available. that is medicine catering for our genetic differences.

I personally experienced sides with saw pam and beta sitosterol so I know that. I was referring to using this topically like somebody would with RU58841 and CB-03-01.

The Ataric Acid is supposedly proven to prevent nuclear translocation of the androgen receptor which RU58841 and CB-03-01 doesn't. RU58841 and CB-03-01 competitively binds to the androgen receptor which Atraric Acid does as well. Ataric acid doesn't need to be metabolized to work so it can be used topically. (according to what some are saying on other forums)

Have any idea? and anyone else?

rofl wrote:Imo finasteride blocks aprox 70 %, dutasteride blocks like 80% or something, and spiro blocks even more.  finasteride doesnt seem to give much results, other than slowing down progreession for most and regrowth in a lucky few, dutasteride gives better results but more side effects, spiro seems to work the best for regrowth, but of course noone wants to take it cos it basically turns you into a women.

what im getting at is blocking DHT only seems to regrow hair if u totally block it with spiro, and that turns you into a women, allbeit a women with a tiny penis.

ergo blocking DHT is not a solution.  we know what it does with chemicals.  with naturals we are striving to get that high blockage like the chemicals, but if naturals acheive it, then u can also expect the same level of sides.

there has to be a better way.  im hoping for answers when personalised medicine becomes available.  that is medicine catering for our genetic differences.

Where would you get pure atraric acid anyway? Natural sources probably doesn't have enuff. And would it burn if you put it on your scalp?

I don't believe in blocking DHT for the sole reason of reversing hair loss. It does work, for a minority of people though.

Some guy on the mainstream hair loss forums took finasteride for 17 years before realising it wasn't growing his hair.

And technically, wouldn't any DHT blocker work ?

I think it's a flawed theory

Atraric Acid can be easily purchased online as a powder or solution. It is used as a fragrance under the names Veramoss, Verymoss, and Evernyl.

Again, I'm not talking about using it as a internal dht blocker but as a topical. I think systemically, most dht blockers essentially do the same thing to varying degrees.