CS and Hadrion - Best Berberine Supplement?

I'm looking into adding it into my "therapy" when next I make an order, but I don't want to waste my cash on an inferior product.
Is this any good? http://www.vitacost.com/vital-nutrients-berberine-200-mg-60-capsules

http://www.vitacost.com/herb-pharm-oregon-grape-liquid-herbal-extract-1-fl-oz or perhaps vcaps filled with this?

AR - I've only used 2 kinds of Berberine. Both of them have Berberine HCL as the main ingredient. I've used the Swansons Brand & I've used Glycosolve. Glycosolve is quite expensive but if I'm being honest, I think it works better than Swansons. It's 500mg per cap vs 400mg with Swansons. I'm loaded up on the Swansons at the moment since they had a buy 1 get 1 on it not too long ago and I bought about 6 months worth.

I'm not sure why, but I think the banaba extract they include in Glycosolve is also beneficial. Maybe CS can help shed some light on that here.

Here's the thing - I don't believe the Doctors who sell Glycosolve (who are very nice men by the way) make it themselves. I've seen a cheaper version with the same ingredients sold on ebay. I think someone else is formulating it for them and they put their label on it. I was planning on buying the less expensive ebay version to try it out. Someone linked directly to it in this forum which is how I found out about that and saw it had the same exact ingredient list as Glycosolve.

I do know in all the materials I read that Berberine HCL was what they were using in testing & it's usually a 500mg dose with meals.

Look for a product that contains 500 mg of the stuff.

Such as: http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Berberine-500-60-Veggie-Caps/46113

Blood sugar fluctuations are usually, if not always caused by inflammation caused by an infection.
Berberine kills various types of "bugs" in the GI-tract, and this is primarily how it lowers triglycerides
and lowers blood sugar.

Banaba extract contains corosolic acid which helps lower blood sugar and lower cortisol.

Whatever berberine supplement you go with, you'll want to combine it with niacinamide for the synergistic effect.

Here is a quote from Dr. K

Treatment for insulin resistance is 1000mg niacinamide three times a day with 500mg of Berberine twice a day. The best option for Berberine is BioPure Viressence 2 dropperfuls three times a day. Modifying the diet using Diet Therapy Software or ART is important. Insulin resistance is induced by chronic infections. Niacinamide has less of an anti-psychotic effect but the same antimicrobial effect as niacin.

See more at: http://www.betterhealthguy.com/joomla/blog/242-a-deep-look-beyond-lyme#sthash.9bHFpXru.dpuf

This thread tipped my hand. I recently got a surprise $$ bonus, so I'm going to invest in some berberine. Thanks you guys for giving me more ways to spend my money!! LOL

rdk, that Viruessence is expensive! I'm intrigued but wary of the cash outlay per Dr. K's recommendation. At two droppers full 3x/day it will go quick. Have you ever tried it?

Also, I know I've kind of been banging on about noni lately, but I SWEAR this stuff has increased my energy levels. I just feel indefinably but noticeably and appreciably better since I started taking it. Plus my warts disappeared. My doctor put me on it for gut health.

I haven't really noticed any normalization of blood sugar, however. But that's unsurprising since my diet is still currently shite.

Do you or CS have any experience with it?

Nid - If you're reading this, maybe think about a Berberine HCL 500mg cap combined with 1000mg of Niacinamide as rdmkl suggests? At the very least, you guys should put out a good Berberine product.

Hi whodathunkit,

Yes, Dr. K's recommendations usually are expensive, lol. Although, I have no doubt in my mind they are the best and I have no doubt in my mind viressence is. Berberine is commonly used in the lyme community and I've followed various people in the past using it.

The real reason for me making that post was to post the synergetic effect with niacinamide. Not so much to say buy viressence.

Not to mention only using say viressence is not going to get someone well so would want to make sure can afford other supplements.

I personally would go for Dr. loyds ones such as NanoTCM and such but ar was looking for berberine.

Noni I'm aware of and FWIW is said to be a good blood cleanser and similar to vervaine/verbena officinalis by newport.

With that said, I don't really use supplements anymore. Using my EMF devices I've had even better results than the most expensive supplement protocols (although I never tried the Klinghardt cocktail) and is much much cheaper in the end. Just reading the last quote below is a miracle for those suffering from say lyme. Especially considering it only took a couple months to get there. And with a quality Rife machine that has now broken the $80 level to own when we paid $2,000 I don't know what to say anymore. The cost can no longer hold one back. Just the education and experience needed to get best results. For example, it's been found that the intensity knob of the F-165 or similar frequency generator needs to be turned way down if one gets ill feeling or herx reactions. Healing still takes place even at the lower intensity but eliminates the herx for the most part.

Here are some quotes from GiGi and some others. GiGi from lymenet is sorta like the CS of lymenet and those in the lyme community are some of the smartest in the world when it comes to toxicity and pathogens.

We must remember, I think, that the body is not made up of little boxes -- borrelia in one, metals in another, viruses in yet another, bartonella, chlamydia, all of them in separate boxes/compartments. That is why Dr. K. composed Viressence in such a way. It works great and crosses over into a number of the other infectionsother toxicities that are always present, because they are all part of the total eco-system in our body.

If you look up the different substances, they all do their part in the overall system and they do it better in this combination and are less problem-causing than if you were taking the individual plants, or whatever they are, separately.

Viressence has become one of my favorites in the medicine cabinet, because it covers even the heavy metals that are knocked loose during any correction that is taking place. It is often combined with Quintessence, with a similar purpose in mind.

Viressence can be a beautiful part of the Lyme Cocktail, when combined with phospholipids to become a liposomal reaching much further than a single herb would. Gingko helps ciruculation....., meaning we need to get the stuff to the areas where they can become effective and not get stuck someplace. It is often combined with Quintessence for the same reason.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/116461?

Quintessence by Biopure

Everyone I know who tests for it uses it. It is one of the best around. I have no infections at this time, but have a supply of it. When I test for it, I take it. It is used in the Lyme Cocktail together with everything else. I have posted the cocktail and you also can easily find it by googling including Dr. K.'s name.

I also keep Viressence on hand and would not hesitate taking them together if I tested energetially for it.

Berberine TIMING:

The half-life of berberine in vivo seems to be three to four hours, thus ***suggesting administration three times a day if steady levels are to be achieved.***

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/118509?

Viressence and Quintessence from Biopure work very well, gentle and getting things done.
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/113237?

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Hello everyone

I don`t know if this is the right place to put this, but Johann has been treating the hair and clippings I sent him, for Lyme, Lupus, heavy metals and candida, and it appears that they are gone.

I don`t feel 100% nor expect to yet as I have been sick for a long time, and Johann says I still need spinal work done by a chiropractor, but, I do feel that something remarkable has taken place, and yesterday I treated myself to a drink of red wine and am fine today whereas before it had a bad effect.

I am very grateful for the kindness of Johann and his daughter and am looking forward to a continuation of my healing.

Brenda

rdkml wrote:Hi whodathunkit,

Yes, Dr. K's recommendations usually are expensive, lol. Although, I have no doubt in my mind they are the best and I have no doubt in my mind viressence is. Berberine is commonly used in the lyme community and I've followed various people in the past using it.

The real reason for me making that post was to post the synergetic effect with niacinamide. Not so much to say buy viressence.

Not to mention only using say viressence is not going to get someone well so would want to make sure can afford other supplements.

I personally would go for Dr. loyds ones such as NanoTCM and such but ar was looking for berberine.

Noni I'm aware of and FWIW is said to be a good blood cleanser and similar to vervaine/verbena officinalis by newport.

With that said, I don't really use supplements anymore. Using my EMF devices I've had even better results than the most expensive supplement protocols (although I never tried the Klinghardt cocktail) and is much much cheaper in the end. Just reading the last quote below is a miracle for those suffering from say lyme. Especially considering it only took a couple months to get there. And with a quality Rife machine that has now broken the $80 level to own when we paid $2,000 I don't know what to say anymore. The cost can no longer hold one back. Just the education and experience needed to get best results. For example, it's been found that the intensity knob of the F-165 or similar frequency generator needs to be turned way down if one gets ill feeling or herx reactions. Healing still takes place even at the lower intensity but eliminates the herx for the most part.

Here are some quotes from GiGi and some others. GiGi from lymenet is sorta like the CS of lymenet and those in the lyme community are some of the smartest in the world when it comes to toxicity and pathogens.

We must remember, I think, that the body is not made up of little boxes -- borrelia in one, metals in another, viruses in yet another, bartonella, chlamydia, all of them in separate boxes/compartments. That is why Dr. K. composed Viressence in such a way. It works great and crosses over into a number of the other infectionsother toxicities that are always present, because they are all part of the total eco-system in our body.

If you look up the different substances, they all do their part in the overall system and they do it better in this combination and are less problem-causing than if you were taking the individual plants, or whatever they are, separately.

Viressence has become one of my favorites in the medicine cabinet, because it covers even the heavy metals that are knocked loose during any correction that is taking place. It is often combined with Quintessence, with a similar purpose in mind.

Viressence can be a beautiful part of the Lyme Cocktail, when combined with phospholipids to become a liposomal reaching much further than a single herb would. Gingko helps ciruculation....., meaning we need to get the stuff to the areas where they can become effective and not get stuck someplace. It is often combined with Quintessence for the same reason.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/116461?

Quintessence by Biopure

Everyone I know who tests for it uses it. It is one of the best around. I have no infections at this time, but have a supply of it. When I test for it, I take it. It is used in the Lyme Cocktail together with everything else. I have posted the cocktail and you also can easily find it by googling including Dr. K.'s name.

I also keep Viressence on hand and would not hesitate taking them together if I tested energetially for it.

Berberine TIMING:

The half-life of berberine in vivo seems to be three to four hours, thus ***suggesting administration three times a day if steady levels are to be achieved.***

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/118509?

Viressence and Quintessence from Biopure work very well, gentle and getting things done.
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/113237?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello everyone

I don`t know if this is the right place to put this, but Johann has been treating the hair and clippings I sent him, for Lyme, Lupus, heavy metals and candida, and it appears that they are gone.

I don`t feel 100% nor expect to yet as I have been sick for a long time, and Johann says I still need spinal work done by a chiropractor, but, I do feel that something remarkable has taken place, and yesterday I treated myself to a drink of red wine and am fine today whereas before it had a bad effect.

I am very grateful for the kindness of Johann and his daughter and am looking forward to a continuation of my healing.

Brenda

rdkml,

Not to go off topic, but where is this rife machine that broke the $80 barrier that you're speaking of?

I posted about it recently on the DIY tactile tranducer thread .

I went ahead and created a post about the UDB1108S Rife machine for $80 here. http://electromedicine.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/diy-long-distance-rife-machines-qe-f-and-udb1108s/

The below info is all that's needed to know from the above link. Very simple but have to join a private forum at the www.rifeforum.com

The below links aren't working but if you go to the above link from electromedicine they will.

The three links below have been shown to work. Buy either one of these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8MHz-DDS-Fun…item4d09b7a3ad

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1809983998…84.m1497.l2649

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod…748216071.html

Then, in this thread http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showt…t=4071&page=30 look at

Post #618 to download the software.

Post #755 on how to install software.

Post #741 to build a method to house DNA sample.

Post #594 more info on the frequency generator.

Any thoughts on this article on Berberine?

http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2013/08/berberine-works-but-may-very-well-be.html

The troublesome part of this article is that the "problem" in their view is that berberine may compromise other drugs. Why take *any* drugs?

Also, the author makes assumptions that little is known about the operation of berberine. This isn't true. It works by reducing infections and inflammation, which in turn lowers blood sugar.

As pro-drug industry get more desperate (they are), they are resorting to attacks to discredit nature at every turn.