Cholesterol and saturated fats

Misirlou Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:33 am

According to some information on this forum, cholesterol is not the enemy when it comes to weight and heart problems. Nor is the saturated fat to blame.
Now, I recently read a book from a pretty famous health guru and he claimed that both cholesterol and saturated fats are dangerous to health and should be avoided.

Could you guys update me on the latest about these topics? I basically need a few killer arguments, if there are any.

a<r Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:34 am

Was this guru a vegetarian?

Misirlou Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:40 am

Actually No! He loves food and especially meat, if I recall correctly Wink

a<r Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:45 am

Interesting. Anomalies exist to show us that our assertions are wrong, and a massive one exists when it comes to cholesterol and fats. It's really the gut, liver, and general inflammitory / oxidative stress that seems to be the tilting point in this equation. What's good for you in normal circumstances can become deadly with relative ease.

I forget where I posted this information, but there's a mess of data showing insulin regulation, LDL/HDL concentrations / oxidation, and other relevant factors is dependant on other interdependant variables.

abc123 Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:52 am

Misirlou wrote:According to some information on this forum, cholesterol is not the enemy when it comes to weight and heart problems. Nor is the saturated fat to blame.
Now, I recently read a book from a pretty famous health guru and he claimed that both cholesterol and saturated fats are dangerous to health and should be avoided.

Could you guys update me on the latest about these topics? I basically need a few killer arguments, if there are any.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/dirty-little-secret-of-diet-heart.html

CausticSymmetry Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:59 am

More info to add on top of abc123

http://healthyfixx.com/14/the-truth-about-eggs

http://healthyfixx.com/15/the-truth-about-statin-drugs-may-cause-heart-attacks

I'm going to be writing an article on cardiovascular disease (more specifically heart attacks),
and suffice to say it will shock people. As far as the cholesterol theory, it is mind blowing
that scientists still believe this stuff.

Cholesterol is produced in very cell of the human body for a good reason. Cholesterol rises in response to
an infection.

Misirlou Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:00 am

So basically, cholesterol and saturated fats are not causing health (cardiovascular diseases in particular) related problems at all?

He refers to so many studies and statements made by authorities and doctors.

CausticSymmetry Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:36 am

Misirlou wrote:So basically, cholesterol and saturated fats are not causing health (cardiovascular diseases in particular) related problems at all?

He refers to so many studies and statements made by authorities and doctors.

Misirlou - The studies that are often used as proof, and I've seen many of them, are often epidemiological studies.
It's a case of correlation doesn't equal causation.

For example, many studies will show that a diet rich in saturated fat may be associated with higher rates of heart disease. However, there is no control for what else was in the diet, since hydrogenated and/or transfat is often eaten by the average person.

A fat phobic person will have no bad fat in them, so when compared to groups who eat high fat, the data will show the latter group with higher levels of plaque.

Cholesterol will rise to protect us in those under the age of 50.

If you can find the study, I'm sure it would easy to find its limitations.

Cholesterol level is actually non correlative with heart attack. The real cause of heart attacks is far different than most people realize, but that's another topic (look out for an article on this one).

A cholesterol level above 200 is correlated with longer life than a person with a cholesterol level below 200.

There is are disturbing number of doctors and authors of books who cherry pick studies to prove the result they are looking to prove.

CausticSymmetry Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:43 am

Check out this site for more proof:

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

This doctor was around before the cholesterol theory was even thought up, and all doctors at the time
thought this notion was crazy.

In fact, he fully expected this hypothesis to quickly fizzle out, as it was absolute madness.

Cholesterol is produced by every cell of the body. The liver makes the majority of it, regardless of whether we eat a lot of foods that contain none of it or not.

Cholesterol makes all of our hormones. If you lower testosterone, I'll show you a heart patient very weakened. Take that same heart patient and place them on testosterone (would check thyroid too), you'll see a dramatic turn of events for the better.

scottyc33 Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:44 am

Also watch the movie FATHEAD.

Read the Perfect Health Diet.

abc123 Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:58 am

Misirlou wrote:So basically, cholesterol and saturated fats are not causing health (cardiovascular diseases in particular) related problems at all?

He refers to so many studies and statements made by authorities and doctors.

You need to look at both sides of the argument logically and then decide for your own. No one can actually do this for you. Decide for yourself which makes more sense.

Misirlou Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:21 am

The only thing I can conclude as of now is that I believe that my diet should consist of at least 50% raw veggies, fruits, berries, nuts and roots. I have no fear for healthy fats nor cholesterol, but I find it very difficult to "decide for myself" since I'm not equipped with the basic facts on how this field works! I think I'm not alone on this board with that feeling.

Thank god my instinct tells me that CS is trustworthy beyond words when it comes to these health related issues, otherwise I would be really lost Wink

scottyc33 Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:16 am

Misirlou wrote:The only thing I can conclude as of now is that I believe that my diet should consist of at least 50% raw veggies, fruits, berries, nuts and roots. I have no fear for healthy fats nor cholesterol, but I find it very difficult to "decide for myself" since I'm not equipped with the basic facts on how this field works! I think I'm not alone on this board with that feeling.

Thank god my instinct tells me that CS is trustworthy beyond words when it comes to these health related issues, otherwise I would be really lost

Here's a good link for you:

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-complete-illustrated-one-page-bulletproof-diet/

mphatesmpb Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:57 am

Cholesterol is produced in very cell of the human body for a good reason. Cholesterol rises in response to
an infection.

How do we get rid of the infection? I suppose that improving immune function would be a start.

Chlamydia pneumoniae is a ubiquitous pathogen that causes acute respiratory disease. The spectrum of C. pneumoniae infection has been extended to atherosclerosis and its clinical manifestations. Seroepidemiologic studies have associated C. pneumoniae antibody with coronary artery disease, myocardial infarction, carotid artery disease, and cerebrovascular disease. The association of C. pneumoniae with atherosclerosis is corroborated by the presence of the organism in atherosclerotic lesions throughout the arterial tree and the near absence of the organism in healthy arterial tissue. C. pneumoniae has also been isolated from coronary and carotid atheromatous plaques. To determine whether chronic infection plays a role in initiation or progression of disease, intervention studies in humans have been initiated, and animal models of C. pneumoniae infection have been developed. This review summarizes the evidence for the association and potential role of C. pneumoniae in cardiovascular disease.

CausticSymmetry Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:02 am

Iodine is an ideal anti-infectious agent. Heart disease is very prevalent in undiagnosed thyroid dysfunction.

The infections themselves could be coming from a variety of places, but oral pathology is a big one.

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