Skin and collagen

Hey all

I'm still roughly pursuing the same route - digestion, dysbiosis/Candida, leaky gut, liver detox, etc etc

But it occurred to me that my hair loss occurred when I had a drop in collagen throughout my body (thinner skin) and also coincided with my digestive intolerance to eggs and all that.

The possibility occurred to me that if my skin thinned then... wouldn't my intestinal walls have become thinner/weaker too? They are made of collagen right? Just a theory. That may have encouraged leaky gut, increased toxins and stuff entering the system, etc.

Just a thought.

Hoppi

Hoppi, where the hell did you go?! We were getting worried about you. ^.^

haha sorry, I decided to travel to Malta and live here for a while

I'll probably be heading back to the UK soon, but at the moment I have limited internet access!

How are things around here? ^_^

This might be something for you http://www.iherb.com/Neocell-Super-Collagen-Type-1-3-Powder-7-oz-198-g/6074?at=0

Hoppipolla wrote:Hey all

I'm still roughly pursuing the same route - digestion, dysbiosis/Candida, leaky gut, liver detox, etc etc

But it occurred to me that my hair loss occurred when I had a drop in collagen throughout my body (thinner skin) and also coincided with my digestive intolerance to eggs and all that.

The possibility occurred to me that if my skin thinned then... wouldn't my intestinal walls have become thinner/weaker too? They are made of collagen right? Just a theory. That may have encouraged leaky gut, increased toxins and stuff entering the system, etc.

Just a thought.

Hoppi

Welcome back Hoppi!

If you're concerned about intestinal viability, would look into taking Raw Butter and Vitamin A (not beta carotene).

More info here: http://healthyfixx.com/33/why-vitamin-a-is-more-important-than-you-think

haha cheers CS! I'm glad to be back posting again!

I will be in and out still, but I'll never be completely gone


But yeah like, as I've said, I know my hair issues started right after my skin issues and coincided precisely with my digestive issues. The link for me is undeniable, I just don't understand the exact biology. I'm pretty sure it's either some kind of microflora imbalance, liver toxicity, or intestinal permeability. Those are by miles my top targets.

I'll have a good look at those links! ^^


EDIT -- Oh, I had a colonic!! xD

Here in Malta, I went down and got one done for like €99!! Was f***ing scary!!!! But I felt better after it. Dunno if the effects lasted or if it actually helped my situation too much, but I am glad I got it done and now I will focus primarily on digestive enzymes for clearing out junk from my intestines, plus maybe occasional colonics I dunno.

It was an experience though let me tell you! >.<

We are 99% bacteria, and 90% of digestion is due to good bacteria. Perhaps the best ways to improve it, is by taking in rich sources, such as home made kefir and home made yogurt, which contain bacteria counts in the trillions.

If the problem is not with the flora, then it may stem insufficient bile acids.

yeah absolutely man I completely, COMPLETELY agree!

I think those things are so important - good liver detoxing (through bile) and great intestinal flora.

I do however think that as collagen levels deplete with age, and the intestines are made of collagen, it would be logical to assume wouldn't it that INTESTINAL WALL THICKNESS decreases with age? Right?

Would be great to hear opinions on that!!

Hoppi

Hoppi - The most important factor in the intestines is the mucosal lining, and what is need is animal form Vitamin A (not beta carotene).

Butyric acid also helps (comes from butter). Last, but not least is L-glutamine.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Hoppi - The most important factor in the intestines is the mucosal lining, and what is need is animal form Vitamin A (not beta carotene).

Butyric acid also helps (comes from butter). Last, but not least is L-glutamine.

Just be careful of glutamine if you are MSG or glutamate sensitive. L-glutamine will convert to both GABA and free glutamic acid AFAIR.

Hi this can also helpful for you : http://www.herbaldiet.com/herbalife/formula-1-nutritional-shake/69.aspx

CausticSymmetry wrote:We are 99% bacteria, and 90% of digestion is due to good bacteria. Perhaps the best ways to improve it, is by taking in rich sources, such as home made kefir and home made yogurt, which contain bacteria counts in the trillions.

If the problem is not with the flora, then it may stem insufficient bile acids.

CS,

I thought we were mostly water? If you add in bone and organs, how can we possibly be 99% bacteria? This really isn't important- just curious. Edit: Just did a quick search and apparently there are many more bacteria cells than human cells (10:1), though they are much much smaller. I think this is what you were getting at, and not percentage of total weight? Total weight of bacteria looks like about 2-9 lbs in the gut plus whatever else in the body- maybe less than a lb?

I'm starting to believe that intestinal damage can be caused by harmful bacteria, candida, irritants (like apparently gluten), parasites, etc, but simply becomes more likely and harmful as we "age" (whole other topic!) due to our bodies being weaker.

Seems to make sense right?

Hoppipolla wrote:I'm starting to believe that intestinal damage can be caused by harmful bacteria, candida, irritants (like apparently gluten), parasites, etc, but simply becomes more likely and harmful as we "age" (whole other topic!) due to our bodies being weaker.

Seems to make sense right?

Hoppi,

Can't insist much but, please do try Candex (high dose), besides probiotics. This attacks the pathogenic cells and biofilms. I've heard of people curing eczema this way.

For the GI lining, quercetin plus bromelain and vitamin c, and if you want, some SeaCure, Whey Protein, some L-Glutamine and N-Acetyl-Glucosamine.

LittleFighter wrote:

Hoppipolla wrote:I'm starting to believe that intestinal damage can be caused by harmful bacteria, candida, irritants (like apparently gluten), parasites, etc, but simply becomes more likely and harmful as we "age" (whole other topic!) due to our bodies being weaker.

Seems to make sense right?

Hoppi,

Can't insist much but, please do try Candex (high dose), besides probiotics. This attacks the pathogenic cells and biofilms. I've heard of people curing eczema this way.

For the GI lining, quercetin plus bromelain and vitamin c, and if you want, some SeaCure, Whey Protein, some L-Glutamine and N-Acetyl-Glucosamine.

I'm ok man, I've got my own things I'm using or planning to use. Thanks for the advice though I'll take it onboard for future

When I'm back in the UK and that I'll have more money for supps again

internetimm40004 wrote:Our body is apt of producing its own needed degrees of collagen, sort of.In our youth, we produce that collagen much quicker. As you grow older though, the body can’t make as much collagen on its own. That is when collagen balms may end up being quite helpful.

I guess I need to swallow that then xD

Thank you bot! hehehe

hoppi, where have you been? you were much missed here!

magic_gro wrote:hoppi, where have you been? you were much missed here!

aw thanks! Well I've been here in Malta for 5 weeks you see which has kept me pretty busy and distracted! Heading back to England soon (today!) but I wanna do more travelling asap!

How have you been? ^_^

pancacke wrote:This might be something for you http://www.iherb.com/Neocell-Super-Collagen-Type-1-3-Powder-7-oz-198-g/6074?at=hil335

pancake,

Are you using this? I saw this the other day. There's a lot of positive feedback regarding skin and hair.

Is anyone else taking collagen orally?

mmm type 1 and 3 collagen... AFAIK type 1 collagen is present in scar tissue. IMHO it should be avoided if you are trying and getting rid of fibrosis...

There's positively nothing wrong with this product. And no it will not cause fibrosis. That's like saying saying eating protein causes fibrosis. Fibrosis is caused by Advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) or an impaired antioxidant enzyme system in the body.

In fact, it is helpful for growing hair in women, and is good for the skin.

CausticSymmetry wrote:There's positively nothing wrong with this product. And no it will not cause fibrosis. That's like saying saying eating protein causes fibrosis. Fibrosis is caused by Advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) or an impaired antioxidant enzyme system in the body.

In fact, it is helpful for growing hair in women, and is good for the skin.

Why exclusively women? Have you experimented with it?

I really can't get this collagen thing out of my head lol (probably because I had such aggressive MPB which started at the same time as my collagen problems).

But think about it. As we age our collagen reduces, and suddenly as we age we become so susceptible to MPB. I do believe that the cause of MPB is a toxic liver (or rather an overburdened liver) in most people, but the CAUSE of that can be due to various factors.

What if, as we age, our depleting collagen (which happens to EVERYONE gradually) makes leaky gut and stuff like that far more common and probable, increasing toxins in the body and making the liver struggle? What if any candida or anything that we DO have suddenly goes far more systemic as it doesn't have the mega strong, young, healthy intestinal wall to keep it completely in check?

Therefore the trick to stopping MPB for most people is to optimize gut flora, toughen up the gut wall and clean the liver.

I'd love to find someone else with IBS of some kind and MPB to give this approach a good go with me so we can keep each other motivated!

I might start a new thread about that once I've given IH a chance to breath xD

Having not enough collagen to hold your hair with 26........you're on the wrong track or seriously sick....

pancacke wrote:Having not enough collagen to hold your hair with 26........you're on the wrong track or seriously sick....

That's besides the point...

I KNOW my body is f***ed up I don't need you reminding me man...