Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?

observational studies show that populations which avoid vitamin D consumption have naturally low levels of 25-D and remain healthy with such levels.

Healthy Chilean women – A study which tested the level of 25-D in 90 “healthy, ambulatory Chilean women” showed that 27% of the premenopausal and 60% of the postmenopausal women had 25-D levels under 20 ng/ml.6

Healthy Bangladeshi women – A study on healthy Bangladeshi women found that approximately 80% of the women had a level of 25-D under 16 ng/ml.7

Healthy Chinese infants – In a 1992 study, healthy full-term infants from China had serum concentrations of 25-D ranging from an average of 5 ng/ml to 14 ng/ml.8

All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.

The Sun in most can both create D3 and convert D3, the UVA beds will convert D3 but not create D3, the UVB beds will create and convert.

All assumes your receptors aren't completely plugged

All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.

"Under most normal conditions the serum level of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D is constant throughout the year, due to tight biochemical regulation."

"The vitamin D status is usually assessed by measuring the level of the latter vitamin D derivative [25 D], rather than that of the presumably most active derivative 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D [1,25 D]."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19444938

nidhogge wrote:Shouldn't scare you; a little conflict brings about great knowledge and learning for every party involved!

JDP--thoughts on the transdermal D3 cream idea? Keep in mind that this quote is referring to food-grade D3:

All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.

jdp701 wrote:Hi nid,

The transdermal is uncoverted. Weather it be transdermal cream, Mercola spray, D3 supplement they are all evil! Follow the money! Raising 25 D levels is not sun exposure. Forcing your body to do something nature did not intend. Also, correlation does not equal causation.

Don't know why people don't just use co-factors to raise 25 D levels.

Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about. Most will come down with nonspecific health issues weather it be years or decades later... will come.

If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.

jdp701 wrote:Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about...If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.

Project: JS wrote:The Natural - whoa, slow down. that is way too harsh. JDP has been one of the most generous and beneficial contributors on this forum not named Immortal Hair/Caustic Symmetry. I think everything JDP says should be evaluated respectfully. if you disagree that is one thing but lets hear the man out.. especially THIS man.

Project: JS wrote:JDP - how has your experience and understanding of the the rife machine played into your current understanding of D3 supplementation as being negative? I know clues to that being true have come from many sources but how specifically from the world of rife? and sorry if you have answered this already I havent been able to find it..

The invention relates to pharmaceutical compositions comprising at least one Vitamin D derivative and a method of using the pharmaceutical compositions in suppressing immune responses.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/39800268/Immunosuppressive-Agents---Patent-4749710

Like fluoride, Vit D may cause increased absorbtion of lead, cadmium, aluminum, and cobalt; and radioactive isotopes such as strontium and cesium

Hypothyroid children have higher serum levels of both calcium and 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D3, while having lower levels of osteocalcin (Lauffer et al, 1993; Verrotti et al, 1998), while the opposite is reported in hyperthyroidism (Saggese et al, 1990). These levels normalize after thyroid status is corrected

http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/vit_d.html

CONTRAINDICATIONS
It is suggested that additional supplementation and/or intake of the following nutrients and food substitutes should be avoided
by the patient until re-evaluation.
* VITAMIN D *
Vitamin D and PABA are known to antagonize thyroid function and increase the absorption and retention of calcium.
Excessive vitamin D supplementation can contribute to a loss of potassium and suppress thyroid expression. The patient
should avoid sources of extra vitamin D and PABA, especially if a hypo-thyroid condition is present

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1727079#i

Abstract
Oral vitamin D supplementation has been introduced into modern medicine to prevent rickets without the knowledge that this may have profound immunological consequences. The main vitamin D metabolite calcitriol suppresses dendritic cell maturation and consecutive Th(1) cell development, which has independently described as a key mechanism of allergy development. Animal studies and epidemiological surveys now provide a first link of early vitamin D supplementation and later allergy where several vitamin D regulated genes seem to be involved. A randomized clinical trial of vitamin D supplementation could be a further step to follow up the vitamin hypothesis.

Of course, the studies try not be obvious about this, but, using a bit of logic, the conclusion is plain to see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20211255

Topical creams containing the active form of vitamin D (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3; 1,25(OH)2D3) or analogues of this compound are currently used with some success to treat skin conditions including psoriasis and vitiligo. As well as targeting inflammatory processes in the skin, topical application of 1,25(OH)2D3 also affects the function of immune cells in the skin and draining lymph nodes. Topically applied 1,25(OH)2D3 reduces the number of dendritic cells in the skin, resulting in suppressed immunity and in particular reduced contact hypersensitivity (CHS) responses. Topical 1,25(OH)2D3 may also promote the migration of dendritic cells from the skin to the draining lymph nodes. Skin application of 1,25(OH)2D3 prevented the inflammatory effects of UVB irradiation on lymph node hypertrophy, when cell numbers were examined 4 days after skin treatment. In contrast, when 1,25(OH)2D3 was applied to UVB irradiated skin, there was no reversal in the suppression of CHS responses caused by UVB irradiation. Instead, 1,25(OH)2D3 had an additive effect with UVB to suppress CHS responses to a greater degree than UVB alone. In these studies, 1,25(OH)2D3 was applied to the treated skin of BALB/c mice immediately following UVB irradiation. Finally, topical 1,25(OH)2D3 also enhanced the number and suppressive activity of CD4+CD25+ regulatory T cells in the lymphatic tissue draining skin.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1727280#i

The Natural wrote:Please re-read the "Throw Away Your Vitamin D3!" thread. It speaks a lot to "arrogance" and "blindness."

The Natural wrote:Please re-read the "Throw Away Your Vitamin D3!" thread. It speaks a lot to "arrogance" and "blindness."

elan164 wrote:You need to be a little more open minded to other opinions/view points/research. You probably would have thought the world was flat till the bitter end.

action<reaction wrote:Fail.