Video: The China Study

Great documentary with Dr. Colin Campbell

Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6GaAnM9jDM

Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvA55xj8iMI

Steven_Tyler wrote:Great documentary with Dr. Colin Campbell

Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6GaAnM9jDM

Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvA55xj8iMI

Great videos. I hope this info makes it big-time. To this date The China Study is the largest and most comprehensive study on diet ever conducted in medical-research!

The China study is a sad and twisted manipulation of data to espouse a diet away from scientific truth and accuracy.

Gospel to a vegans ears. It's a classic example of misconstrued data.

Attention meat eaters, continue to eat your juicy steak without worry.

Chris Masterjohn and Denise Minger both have done a masterful job in analyzing and refuting the China Study.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/

My personal opinion is that eating raw at even 25-50% is far more beneficial than eating 100% vegan. My own philosophy involves eating a wide variety of known healthful foods in moderation. Similar to the muscle-building confusion principle, you never want your body to get into a rut and become too accustomed to any one food.

4039 wrote:Chris Masterjohn and Denise Minger both have done a masterful job in analyzing and refuting the China Study.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/

My personal opinion is that eating raw at even 25-50% is far more beneficial than eating 100% vegan. My own philosophy involves eating a wide variety of known healthful foods in moderation. Similar to the muscle-building confusion principle, you never want your body to get into a rut and become too accustomed to any one food.

So important. Focus more on optimizing digestive processes rather than just giving your body food that's easier to digest. Raw, raw, raw all the time will eventually make your stomach lazy.

action<reaction wrote:Raw, raw, raw all the time will eventually make your stomach lazy.

Wow, really ? I think I found the cause of my constipation, then I started to eat some raw foods, I began to have constipation

Steven_Tyler wrote:

action<reaction wrote:Raw, raw, raw all the time will eventually make your stomach lazy.

Wow, really ? I think I found the cause of my constipation, then I started to eat some raw foods, I began to have constipation

I have no idea if eating raw will cause constipation, personally my 100% raw days ended with me having blood in my stool... not fun. But the idea of taking all burden off of your own stomach enzymes is almost a band-aid approach if you like, sure you're getting benefits from it but the issues that makes us go to raw in the first place is still there: we aren't digesting as well as we should.

I want to clarify, EAT RAW FOODS, but do it in moderation with everything else you need and listen to your body.

Once I started really getting my system back in order I started to get meat cravings again, which I hadn't had in maybe years.

CausticSymmetry wrote:The China study is a sad and twisted manipulation of data to espouse a diet away from scientific truth and accuracy.

The scientific truth is you can reverse heart-disease, diabetes, and prostate-cancer with a low-fat vegan-diet as shown by Dr. Esselstyn, Barnard, and Ornish. What other doctors do you know who has done this with another diet?

Eating steak or animal-protein will increase estrogen and DHT by directly lowering SHBG [1]! It will also increase free-IGF-1 (a potent cancer promoter) and lower your total-testosterone levels [2]!




[1] Diet and Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin.
[2] Hormones and diet: low insulin-like growth factor-I but normal bioavailable androgens in vegan men.

misterE - Prostate cancer has several stages, and dietary intervention only goes so far in advanced or aggressive stages.

A raw meat diet will go further than a vegan diet on prostate cancer, but nevertheless, diet alone is not usually enough for advanced prostate cancer.

Note this recent Ornish study on early-stage prostate cancer...

CONCLUSIONS: Patients with early-stage prostate cancer choosing active surveillance might be able to avoid or delay conventional treatment for at least 2 years by making changes in their diet and lifestyle

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18602144

Many integrative physicians do not resort to diet alone for advanced prostate cancers.

"A misguided authority is the enemy of truth" (paraphrasing from Albert Einstein).

On the raw diet constipation issue. It is a fallacy to blame one specific factor on constipation. It takes a while to adjust (bacteria wise) going from a high-fiber diet to a lower one.

There is something called fiber dependence. It's like a drug. Less bacteria displaced by fiber. In any event, it takes a while to adjust.

As far as doctors, there are some that focus on diet alone, but usually they add something. Dr. Nickolas Gonzalez of New York uses a different diets (depending on what is right for the patient) on many cancers, and his specialty is pancreatic cancer, which is the most deadly.

CS- My doctor gave me a formula that contains mix types of lactobacillus (Acidophilus, Bifidum, Bulgaricus, Rhamnosus, Casei, Casei Shirota + FOS)

you think it can help my constipation ?

Enough has already been said about the China study on this site.

If you guys think you have something new to say in defense of it, then dig up the old thread and try to argue what CS and others wrote there. But I know you guys won't. You'll pretend that the China study near-perfect, that there is no slate to wipe clean, and you'll continue to litter vegan propaganda all over the forums.

The China Study appears to say things like only carnivores produce their own vitamin C and that herbivores do not produce their own vitamin C, which is NOT TRUE.

Only a few types of animal cannot produce their own vitamin C, certain primates, including humans cannot, and guinea pigs cannot, along with a species of fruit eating bat.

Those types of China Study BS propaganda are outright LIES!!!!

There are NO PURE VEGAN centenarians.

There are NO PURE CARNIVORE centenarians.

Mr. Clean wrote:There are NO PURE VEGAN centenarians.

There are NO PURE CARNIVORE centenarians.

Hurray for that I say! this should be the only thing said in terms of diet on this site.

I went on a raw food diet I never crapped better in my life lol. I am beginning to realize that I am sensitive to caffine and can't drink to much green tea, stuff was giving me insomnia.

Hairbeback wrote:I went on a raw food diet I never crapped better in my life lol. I am beginning to realize that I am sensitive to caffine and can't drink to much green tea, stuff was giving me insomnia.

I concur on the frequent crapping of the mostly raw vegan diet. I have never been so regular with all the fruit and broccoli.

Back in my cheese and steak days I would only crap once or twice per week

Mr. Clean wrote:

Back in my cheese and steak days I would only crap once or twice per week

Cheese and steak has no fiber and can get stuck and accumulate in the intestines. This is how colon-cancer forms.

I was under a vegan diet for about 6 months and I started to look like the "mister E" picture.

As a dancer I was always very athletic, with a nice body.

When I begun to look like a green bean, I was totally scared.

My friends told me several times that I look weird, and no womans was looking at me in the street anymore.

I turned into some strange walking "thing"

If you like meat, milk (raw), butter, eggs, god damn just eat them !!!

honestly, to look like a walking skeleton is just totally anormal.

is there someone here who think that's a normal condition ? damn..

Same experience here. A vegan diet isn't right for me (but maybe for others--metabolic type).

The loss of sex appeal, no doubt about it. I was told that I looked as if I came out of a concentration camp. And after the loss of sex drive that was enough for me (besides other problems).

Something else that bothers me, a lot of times the vegans here say "cheese and steak days" and they talk about their horrible experience eating meat, but the meat that's generally spoken of by them isn't even what I'd call meat. Mostly just horribly cooked, processed things that used to be animals. To class all meat eaters as people who eat unhealthy like that is very wrong.

I haven't had cheese in two years, milk one year, nor have I eaten steak in almost 6 years.

Fresh Fish, Beef Liver, and sometimes some free range chicken.