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Post  albe Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:33 am

What would you recommend as a way to deal with existing cavities? I've been using K2 and washing with hydrogen peroxide, as preventative measures. I've done oil pulling in the past. I feel like my teeth are healthier overall now, and I don't tooth pain, but I have a cavity on one of my teeth, and a few other spots that look like they might be cavities.

My diet is very clean right now, but wasn't always. I also haven't visited the dentist in 10 years, so these cavities have probably existed for a while.

Are more expensive ceramic fillings a safe way to go, or should I avoid the dentist altogether?

I've read all the topics on teeth health from the search, but most of what I've read constitutes preventative measures, rather than dealing with an already existing problem.

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Post  KAPTUNKRUNK Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:54 am

i havent been in over ten years either and my teeth are in pretty good shape. what would mag oil do?

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:34 pm

albe - If one has a cavitation, avoid fluoride and glycerin and the teeth will remineralize. If fillings exist, they can be removed by a proper dentist who knows how to remove these fillings safely. Ceramic fillings are always toxic.
Either leave them empty or if necessary fill them up with a biologically compatible material. This requires blood testing.

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Post  albe Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:31 pm

Sounds good.

i'll get fluoride-free toothpaste this weekend. Anything else that might speed up the process? Should i keep flossing twice a day?

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Post  TheFunkyStumpfighter Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:36 pm

What kind of K2 are you using? After reading some of the research that Dr Weston Price had done, I picked up a bottle of MK4 K2 (15mg once a day) as this was identified as the form of K2 found in the butter oil he used for his patients. After about 2 months on it, vitamin d, and lots of fish oil, my teeth are much smoother, look much stronger, and a few places with dark decay spots that would have likely formed cavities are not a solid white. The ends of my teeth, which had been translucent for as long as I can remember, are also starting to turn a more solid white. Id say try out the MK4 K2 if youre not already. Its expensive, but its doing wonders for me so far.

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Post  TheFunkyStumpfighter Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:37 pm

To clarify, I mean the dark spots are now* a solid white. Damn lack of an edit button.

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Post  albe Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:47 pm

Do you mean 15 mcg?

I'm using now foods D3/K2. The label says K2 as menaquinone, which means it is MK-n. I don't know the value of n, though.

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Post  TheFunkyStumpfighter Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:03 pm

Nope, 15mg (15,000mcg), and MK4 is menatetrenone. If you havent, take a look at some of Dr. Weston A Price's research thats hanging around the web. Id drop some links if I hadnt lost them all, but its well worth the time to find it and give it a look. He claimed some pretty impressive results in regards to cavity remineralization, and between the supplements and oil pulling, Id say he wasnt lying.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:44 pm

albe - The toothpaste has to be free of glycerin also, and that's really hard to find in a toothpaste. So instead, you would be better off either using toothsoap or salt or baking soda. No need to buy anything.

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Post  albe Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:40 pm

Just ordered 15mg MK4-K2, and i'm going to pick up some baking soda as well.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:14 am

This stuff is pretty good bang for the buck on K2 (15 mg)

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Enhancement-Dr-Jonathan-Wright-s-ProBone-O-Drops-Plus-2-fl-oz-60-ml/9531?at=0

I like to take it in capsule form, so now switching to this stuff:

http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-Full-Spectrum-Vitamin-K-90-Softgels/7786?at=0

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Post  albe Sun May 09, 2010 8:03 am

I've been on 15mg k2 a day, along with plenty of d3, baking soda for toothpaste, hydrogen peroxide mouthwash, and cold-pressed unrefined sesame oil for oil pulling.
I've removed most of the fluoride from my diet (I still get some from wine/beer), and all of the glycerine in my diet except for what is in the iosol that I take.

The cavities are still there so far, but no more toothaches at night, the transparent spots at the bottom of my teeth are becoming whiter, and the yellow stains on my teeth are disappearing.

I'll post back in a few months once my teeth have more time to heal.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sun May 09, 2010 9:44 am

I recently made a correction on my blog about Glycerine, as a very trust worthy source (Dr. Nara, who has over 50 years dental experience) who basically states that glycerine is not really a big deal. He is pretty confident that Dr. Judd was wrong about glycerine being bad.

He has the following quote about glycerin:

"In foods and beverages, glycerol (glycerin) serves as humectant, solvent and sweetener, and may help preserve foods. It is also used as filler in commercially prepared low-fat foods (e.g., cookies), and as a thickening agent in liqueurs. Glycerol also serves as a way, along with water, to preserve certain types of leaves. Glycerol is also used as a sugar substitute. In this regard, it has approximately 27 calories per teaspoon and is 60% as sweet as sucrose. Although it has about the same food energy as table sugar, it does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities."

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Post  Paradox Sun May 09, 2010 9:47 am

CS,

Is mk-4 better than mk-7? I just ordered a bottle of Jarrow's mk-7. Is it just hype?

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Post  albe Sun May 09, 2010 9:54 am

Good to know about glycerine. The iosol seems to be helping my thyroid, and i really wouldn't want to stop taking it.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sun May 09, 2010 10:13 am

Paradox - I have the same concern, so I have purposefully been taking MK-4 mostly. I've been keeping a close watch on the research and have yet to see a definitive study showing the efficacy of MK-7. So, until that happens, I'll make mostly MK-4.

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Post  Silverlin Sun May 09, 2010 11:58 pm

Even if glycerin isn't a big deal, I hate the feeling it leaves on my teeth. I never really knew what clean teeth felt like untill i started brushing with toothpastes without glycerin.

Caustic - As far as helping remineralize teeth is concerned, whats your opinion on monosodium phosphate?
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Post  CausticSymmetry Mon May 10, 2010 4:00 am

Silverlin - Monosodium phosphate may further re-mineralization, however if the incorrect diet is eaten during the process, as evidenced by triglyceride or glucose levels, the body may not retain sufficient phosphorus levels to matter, and the supplemental monosodium phosphate will be lost.

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