India and covid

Poor India. They are having a rough time. So many sick people from covid and hospitals are running out of oxygen. Crematoriums are overrun and they are burning them in the streets. The virus is having a field day with the huge population. There are tons of videos on youtube about it. Dont let it happen here. That being said, I probably wont get the vaccine cuz with my luck I'll probably die from some stupid blood clot or have lasting side effects from it. I'd rather social distance and wear masks and avoid indoor settings as much as possible. Plus I'm taking chaga mushroom supplements which appears to be a potent immune booster. And if enuff people get the vaccine and are protected then that lowers my chance of catching it. So C'MON PEOPLE...GET THAT VACCINE!!! LOL

shaftless wrote:So C'MON PEOPLE...GET THAT VACCINE!!! LOL

You are probably joking but I've seen lots of people with the same mentality. They don't want to get the vaccine but they want others to get it.
I find it pretty weird.

I don't think they'll be able to get majority of the population voluntarily vaccinated, so there'll be some mandates(if you don't get it you can't travel, work, etc).
Another problem is, drug companies want to make more money, so they keep underlining the mutations, hinting that the covid vaccine can be an annual thing. So it won't be like you get it and you are free. You'll probably have to get it every year.

Yeah I was sorta joking. But I bet there's a lot of hesitancy against the vaccines and they are willing to wait it out if most people get vaccinated. If the infection curve keeps dropping (which it is in the US) as more get vaccinated then it's probably a safe bet that covid might disappear.
God, I hope it won't turn into an annual thing. They say that the regular flus are almost non-existent this winter cuz of all the precautions taken for covid.

Heard on the news that India is pleading for help from the rest of the world. The UK has already sent ventilators and drugs and the US is planning on doing the same.

Nuada wrote:hinting that the covid vaccine can be an annual thing. So it won't be like you get it and you are free. You'll probably have to get it every year.

I think they've done more than hint. Manufacturers themselves said they may only be effective for 6 months or so and they are already planning on boosters.

Couple of things strike me about this - one is that all the safety risks that are being downplayed in the mainstream, well if you end up taking 10 or 20 doses you are probably multiplying the risks by a similar amount. Secondly, even if they are perfectly safe (which they aren't) there is enormous profit potential if they can get the whole, or at least most of the population doing this, rather than just those in vulnerable groups. One reason they are pushing it so hard.

I don't know what's going on in India. I've learned to be wary of accepting stories at face value though.

Flu shots will always be free for the public. And so far they are still voluntary. Our taxes may increase eventually to pay for it.

It's a horror story in India. They were recovering...so much so that they held huge duwali celebrations where thousands gather and jump into the river together. No masks, no social distancing. Now they are paying the price. Just go to youtube and type "India and covid". Lots of videos showing what's happening there now. And I don't think they are all fake. Our Canadian govt has banned all flights from India and Pakistan.

I was a bit like you at the start of the pandemic.  As I said I learned to try and not take everything I see at face value.  

When it comes to C0v1d almost everything in the media seems to be portrayed in the most sensationalist and emotional manner possible.  Yet when I looked around my local area everything is pretty normal other than people wearing masks.  So I looked at the headline figures for my country in more detail and - contrary to all reasonable expectation - people where I am are NOT dying at massively increased rates compared to non-pandemic years.  Correct me if I am wrong but I think it would be fair to describe the overall death rate as a "gold standard" of how deadly a pandemic actually is.

But they don't show that comparison on the news.  At least I've never seen it.  Instead it's all about how many c0v1d has killed, how many it's going to kill, how everyone who questions the narrative is dangerous, crazy, reckless and selfish.  Those who are not medical professionals are ridiculed for being "armchair epidemiologists" or "conspiracy theorists".  Those who ARE a medical professional are denounced as lunatic quacks who should be struck off the register.  Debate is stifled.

What does this have to do with India?  Nothing and yet everything.  My logic is that if everything happening near me is based on lies (or at best faulty statistics) then why should I trust everything else?  If I discover a person or an institution or a news source have been misleading me for a whole year then I'm going to be very skeptical about their future analysis and assertions.  Remember videos of people collapsing in the street in China at the start of last year - was that a real story?  Why hasn't it been happening in other countries?

With all that said, I can post a link to an article with an alternative explanation about what is going on in India.  However, it contains the word c0v1d in the link and it seems we are censoring that word here.  Maybe I can message you the link or perhaps pass it to you Caustic for your approval?

shaftless wrote:Heard on the news that India is pleading for help from the rest of the world. The UK has already sent ventilators and drugs and the US is planning on doing the same.

Ventilators ?
I guess they want to spike up the death rates

It is also pretty convenient that the virus came out from china and india is getting hit the hardest(semi joking obviously).

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shukov wrote:
With all that said, I can post a link to an article with an alternative explanation about what is going on in India.  However, it contains the word c0v1d in the link and it seems we are censoring that word here.  Maybe I can message you the link or perhaps pass it to you Caustic for your approval?

Post the link here and change that word in the link. We'll copy paste it and type the correct one. Won't be a problem I think.

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shaftless wrote:Yeah I was sorta joking. But I bet there's a lot of hesitancy against the vaccines and they are willing to wait it out if most people get vaccinated. If the infection curve keeps dropping (which it is in the US) as more get vaccinated then it's probably a safe bet that covid might disappear.
God, I hope it won't turn into an annual thing. They say that the regular flus are almost non-existent this winter cuz of all the precautions taken for covid.

Infection curve is dependant on other factos too. Mostly seasonal. Like, temperature, humidity and immune system. Last year around mid may Turkey opened up and everyone was out in the streets, going to restaurants etc and by June virus amost dissapeared. Transmission was down. Pretty obvious that as the climate got warmer, the transmission dropped with people's immune systems getting stronger etc.

Nuada wrote:

Post the link here and change that word in the link. We'll copy paste it and type the correct one. Won't be a problem I think.

Good idea. https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/25/indias-cxxxd-crisis-has-been-hijacked-the-mainstream-media-are-lying-to-you/

Nuada wrote:
Infection curve is dependant on other factos too. Mostly seasonal. Like, temperature, humidity and immune system. Last year around mid may Turkey opened up and everyone was out in the streets, going to restaurants etc and by June virus amost dissapeared. Transmission was down. Pretty obvious that as the climate got warmer, the transmission dropped with people's immune systems getting stronger etc.

Yes I thought this too. It's almost summer in northern hemisphere. Even if people are pro-vkx - would you normally take flu shots in April? Makes no sense.

I guess it depends on the population of your area. I'm from a small town and the surrounding area are just more small towns and we average from 2 to 20 infections a day. The big city of Toronto gets over 2000 a day. There's maskless protests and secret house parties that the police constantly break up. No wonder their rate is higher. India has over 1.3 billion people. I cant imagine how to control the behaviour of all those people. And now they are running out of oxygen for their hospitals ventilators. They have to import huge tanks of it from outside and even have a military escort in case someone decides to hijack them.

This virus is unlike any other. Remember last year? It showed up in early 2020 and never left. Even during our sweltering summers. Not to mention more hotter climates like Brazil, Australia and Africa.

shaftless wrote:This virus is unlike any other. Remember last year? It showed up in early 2020 and never left. Even during our sweltering summers. Not to mention more hotter climates like Brazil, Australia and Africa.

Neither Australia nor most of Africa afaik has had severe outbreaks so what are you even referring to?  I think you need to relax, take a break from reading media scaremongering.  They seem to want everyone in a state of fear.

Btw I also live in area with a bunch of small towns.  No c0v1d deaths here for weeks yet we're still being warned constantly that we should be terrified.  

Also I just noticed this quote from a previous post:

shaftless wrote:
They say that the regular flus are almost non-existent this winter cuz of all the precautions taken for c0v1d.

How would people be mixing close enough to catch C0v1d in winter but NOT be mixing close enough to catch regular flu?  It's a fairly remarkable conclusion to say the least.  If you stop and think about what they are saying here, it doesn't make sense.

This is actually similar to what I saw when I looked at detailed deaths statistics - large drops in hospital deaths from regular respiratory diseases.  Why?  I believe it is because those are now being called c0v1d deaths instead of flu, pneumonia etc.  

In fact so far in 2021 the actual numbers dying in our "overrun" hospitals has been around the same as a normal year.  In 2020 there were actually FEWER hospital deaths than in a normal year.  Strange pandemic, no?

shaftless wrote:
This virus is unlike any other. Remember last year? It showed up in early 2020 and never left. Even during our sweltering summers. Not to mention more hotter climates like Brazil, Australia and Africa.

Yeah but like I said there are completely opposite examples too, like here in Turkey.
We locked down in mid march and opened up in may 17th 2020 and while the cases were peaking in march/april, they started going down in may and went to almost 0 during summer where people were freely socializing. Makes 0 sense right ?

The same pattern is happening right now. Cases saw new all time highs during march-april this year(despite being in a partial lockdown) and now they decided to fully close(except for essential business) till may 17th. They'll open up, and the curve will flatten due to seasonal pattern of the virus, won't have much to do with the lockdowns but they'll still try to market it as a success for the lockdown.
Sad thing is, people will buy it too.

shaftless wrote:
They say that the regular flus are almost non-existent this winter cuz of all the precautions taken for covid.

Isn't that a paradox though ? There is no flu because of all the measures that are taken. But covid is still increasing because measures aren't enough.
Considering that flu and covid are both respiratory viruses and transmit in the exact same fashion.
They are  trying to say that Covid is much more contagious but is there even a scientific experiement done to validate that other than the circular "mandates don't work on covid but they do on flu so covid must be more contagius" logic ?

Is it possible that there is no flu because they aren't testing for it anymore ? Or they are lumped up with covid ?

Neither Australia nor most of Africa afaik has had severe outbreaks so what are you even referring to?  I think you need to relax, take a break from reading media scaremongering.  They seem to want everyone in a state of fear.

How would people be mixing close enough to catch C0v1d in winter but NOT be mixing close enough to catch regular flu?  It's a fairly remarkable conclusion to say the least.  If you stop and think about what they are saying here, it doesn't make sense.

I'm just saying that temperature doesn't seem to affect this virus unlike our typical winter flus that disappear in spring/summer. I've never heard of countries like brazil, israel or iran coming down with bad flus that are killing lots of people in these "winterless" countries.

During the winter the covid cases were declining. People stayed put. People also took the regular vaccines for the expected winter flus. Now covid is skyrocketing and the new vaccines are just NOW being handed out. Also, regular flus are not as transmissible as these covid variants it seems. Regular flu viruses accumulate in water droplets big enuff to be stopped by masks if someone sneezes or coughs. It now appears these variants are expelled with tiny aerosol droplets that escape masks easier and by regular breathing/talking (no sneezing or coughing required). Therefore regular flus are stopped by the already planned vaccines they come out with every winter plus they are stopped by masks better...hence the lower of occurrence of regular flus this year.

Hope that helps.

Contagion is a concept that's never been proven. It has been disproved many times, however facts do not affect marketing or businesses when propaganda trumps facts. If people knew the truth about avoiding sickness, it would disrupt a trillion dollar industry.

https://mask-covid.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Contagion-Myth-Notes-Synopsis-1.pdf


To me, it's interesting to talk to anyone who believes the common narrative, because it's an attempt to understand
what was the basis for the belief, say in contagion. 

Sometimes the answers I get are: "I trust my doctor" or "the news said 'X' number of people died" or "they would't lie about that" or " my relatives died because of...."

Contradictions of various guidelines

Even what seems like the basic logic of lockdowns as a method of distancing has been called into question. Stories have reported that California, a state with strict statewide lockdowns (Disneyland closed), and Florida, with no statewide restrictions (Disney World has been left open since July), have experienced almost identical outcomes in C0V!D case rates.

One of the biggest "puzzles" of all is why some of the world’s poorest countries — much of sub-Saharan Africa, for instance — have a tiny fraction of the cases and deaths of rich countries such as the U.S., Germany, France, etc. that logic would assume would be better prepared to deal with a "pandemic."

Where I live--the rules are ridiculous. Yep, those face diapers some are calling masks are still required garb. So if a mask did protect anyone, despite that an alleged viral particle the size of a quantum light wave on an atomic scale, when sheet rock dust easily disperses through a mask, to me this is utter folly and more about obedience. 

Maybe some people believe their respective governments care. That's never been too clear, because over the last century, unless there is overt damage, much of the $cience is based on marketing, not rigorous scientific scrutiny.

There's been only a handful of double-blind, placebo controlled vaccine trials and of those few, the results were damning. Very few pro-vaXXine people, if any even know of these studies. 

Regarding the C0V!D injection...take a look at this:

https://circleofmamas.com/health-news/frontline-workers-testimonials-vaers-reports/?fbclid=IwAR13UnCgR6nnpTAMVsZZD89hM3M6ZhgYwG4vKlzIb0JXEQ_3IfecGWJwx3s

According to this, Texas isn't quite out of the woods just yet for covid surges. A lot of people got vaccinated plus still wear masks. Other states like Michigan were not so lucky.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article250730594.html



And this might explain some parts of Africa escaping a lot of the covid misery. The virus came to Africa late and they took extraordinary precautions early.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613

As for proof of contagion one 1956 experiment stands out that involve tuberculosis-infected air and guinea pigs.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/the-experiment-that-proved-airborne-disease-transmission.html


Today we are the vaccines' guinea pigs LOL

shaftless wrote:As for proof of contagion one 1956 experiment stands out that involve tuberculosis-infected air and guinea pigs.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/the-experiment-that-proved-airborne-disease-transmission.html


Today we are the vaccines' guinea pigs LOL

Thanks for finding something, however there are deep flaws. One of the reasons so many studies have confusing or often, contradictory results is because they are based on epidemiology. So this was not a well controlled analysis.

First UV-C lamps were used, which was not well known at the time to produce a load of Vitamin D, which affects over 3000 genes. 

Second, decomposing and/or dead and dying tissue in the lungs attract bacteria. 

Bacteria shows up at the scene of the "crime" in order to clean up an offending toxins. Microorganisms do not cause disease. Many examples of real, nutritionally competent people were found to be TB-free. 

For example, Swiss villagers living off their native diets of raw dairy products, sourdough rye bread, and some meat and organ meats had no TB, yet during this time it was the number-one killer in Switzerland and elsewhere.

Also, In 1905, Dr. Koch received the Nobel Prize for "proving" that TB was an infectious disease.
But did he?

The experiments were flawed, here's how:

In fact, he could find an organism in infected tissue only by using special staining methods after the
tissue was heated and dehydrated with alcohol. The stain was a toxic dye, methylene blue, and the
solution he used contained another toxin—potassium hydroxide (lye). When he injected the
organism stained with these poisons into animals, they got sick. But what caused the illness, the
bacillus or the poisons? 

That paper:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/4/6/1270/288239

Poor nutrition causes malformation of the lungs, similar to the narrowing of the facial structure and “dental
deformities” in those born to parents eating processed foods.

In a visit to a pediatric TB ward in Hawaii, Weston Price, a dentist noted that every patient had dental deformities.

These dental deformities did not cause TB, of course, but Dr Price believed that the same conditions
that prevented the optimal formation of the facial bones also prevented optimal formation of the
lungs.

Likewise, inhabitants of Lewis Island in the Outer Hebrides were free of TB. Their nutrient-dense diet
consisted of seafood, including fish livers and fish liver oil, along with oat porridge and oatcakes.
They lived in thatched houses that had no chimneys, living in close quarters with smoky, polluted air
night and day; still they had no TB. 

When modern foods made their appearance, the situation changed, and TB took hold. Health workers blamed the smoky air of their cottages (not a microorganism!) and made them install chimneys, but to no avail.

Hmmm, so if tissue is sick and dying it attracts bacteria and the like to feast on it. How does this bacteria get wind of this free meal and hop on the next bus to its location? It shouldn't really be there already since the tissue was priorly healthy.

shaftless wrote:Hmmm, so if tissue is sick and dying it attracts bacteria and the like to feast on it. How does this bacteria get wind of this free meal and hop on the next bus to its location? It shouldn't really be there already since the tissue was priorly healthy.

We have approximately between 10 to 1 and 100 to 1 ratio of bacteria to human cells. This is because bacteria is kind of like a natural janitor or clean up crew.

However, once the ability for bacteria to cleans things up exceeds its capacity to help, the body will enter into a purging state (exosomes and/or viral mode), which when cells release material.

There's about 9 decades or research showing that high-dose Vitamin C will neutralize any of these so-called pathogenic diseases, however not all are considered pathogenic. 

Have some revealing info below: 

Taken from: https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2021/02/22/contagion-a-fairy-story



Where is the evidence that viruses cause disease? I have been asking for almost 12 months now, and no one has been able to provide me with a single peer reviewed journal article showing an isolated virus causes disease.


It should be so easy to look through the literature and find a study in a couple of minutes, yet no one seems to be able to do such a thing.
Scientists and doctors have already done countless experiments to try and prove germ theory over the course of 120+ years, and all have failed.
So I will ask again, can anyone provide me one such study, showing an isolated virus causes disease in humans? 


If so, I will gladly stand corrected and recount everything I have ever said on this matter. There needs to be a truly scientific and intellectually honest conversation about this. This is the beauty of the scientific method, that we can ask questions, challenge our beliefs, put forward new ideas (that may or may not be correct) and learn new things. 


Here are just some of the experiments that have been done on the common cold / flu. Many studies like this have been done in other diseases like measles and chicken pox as well, and they have not been able to prove viral causation or contagion.


In March of 1919 Rosenau & Keegan conducted 9 separate experiments in a group of 49 healthy men, to prove contagion. In all 9 experiments, 0/49 men became sick after being exposed to sick people or the bodily fluids of sick people. https://jamanetwork.com/jour…/jama/article-abstract/221687


In November 1919, 8 separate experiments were conducted by Rosenau et al. in a group of 62 men trying to prove that influenza is contagious and causes disease. In all 8 experiments, 0/62 men became sick. Another set of 8 experiments were undertaken in December of 1919 by McCoy et al. in 50 men to try and prove contagion. Once again, all 8 experiments failed to prove people with influenza, or their bodily fluids cause illness. 


0/50 men became sick. In 1919, Wahl et al. conducted 3 separate experiments to infect 6 healthy men with influenza by exposing them to mucous secretions and lung tissue from sick people. 0/6 men contracted influenza in any of the three studies.


 https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?seq=1…
In 1920, Schmidt et al conducted two controlled experiments, exposing healthy people to the bodily fluids of sick people. Of 196 people exposed to the mucous secretions of sick people, 21 (10.7%) developed colds and three developed grippe (1.5%). In the second group, of the 84 healthy people exposed to mucous secretions of sick people, five developed grippe (5.9%) and four colds (4.7%). Of forty-three controls who had been inoculated with sterile physiological salt solutions eight (18.6%) developed colds. A higher percentage of people got sick after being exposed to saline compared to those being exposed to the “virus”.


 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951

In 1921, Williams et al. tried to experimentally infect 45 healthy men with the common cold and influenza, by exposing them to mucous secretions from sick people. 0/45 became ill.


 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/
In 1924, Robertson & Groves exposed 100 healthy individuals to the bodily secretions from 16 different people suffering from influenza. The authors concluded that 0/100 became sick as a result of being exposed to the bodily secretions.


 https://academic.oup.com/…/article…/34/4/400/832936…
In 1930, Dochez et al. attempted to infect a group of men experimentally with the common cold. The authors stated in their results, something that is nothing short of amazing. “It was apparent very early that this individual was more or less unreliable and from the start it was possible to keep him in the dark regarding our procedure. He had inconspicuous symptoms after his test injection of sterile broth and no more striking results from the cold filtrate, until an assistant, on the second day after injection, inadvertently referred to this failure to contract a cold. That evening and night the subject reported severe symptomatology, including sneezing, cough, sore throat and stuffiness in the nose. The next morning he was told that he had been misinformed in regard to the nature of the filtrate and his symptoms subsided within the hour. It is important to note that there was an entire absence of objective pathological changes”.


 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869798/
In 1937 Burnet & Lush conducted an experiment exposing 200 healthy people to bodily secretions from people infected with influenza. 0/200 became sick. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2065253/
In 1940, Burnet and Foley tried to experimentally infect 15 university students with influenza. The authors concluded their experiment was a failure. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/j.1326-5377.1940…
Addendum: One question that frequently comes up is the old story of giving ‘infected blankets’ to the Native Americans to kill them. This story is a cover-up for the real killer which was again allopathic medicine and their vaccines. The proof is in plain sight as always. They vaccinated them. They got sick from the poisoning and died.

I honestly haven't looked into all of these studies but I remember the spanish flu one. The one they did in 1919 or 1920 with army volunteers.
And between those years, they have done lots of experiments and around WW2 the experiments stopped. There aren't many significant experiements later that date.
I'm wondering why they aren't doing scientific contagion experiments anymore to, for example, validate the transmision rate of Sars Cov-2. Like get a sick person to sneeze on a healthy indicidual and see if he/she gets sick or not.
Why are we simply going by mathematical projection models rather than actual scientific data ?

It seems as if they found the answer to all questions somewhere in late 1940's-1950's and stopped looking. The problem is, that answer is never shared with the public.

The short answer is, the same guy (won the Nobel Prize) who said that viruses (and/or exosomes) do not cause disease was later courted by "Big Medical" and then had to back track his statement in order to receive some monetary compensation.

Money has a way of keeping people silent, sometimes it's not even bribes, but the threat of losing income, reputation or incarnation.

CV19 virus diagrams are all computer generated (CGI). The government admitted they do not have any of this data, because it doesn't exist.

There are so many holes in the pro-contagion, CV19 safety measures. 

Then another viewpoint is gain of function research or using altered, recombinant DNA (rDNA) technology to change the genetic makeup of an organism. Otherwise known as biological warfare. However, this 'technology' might be introduced or administered is usually by way of a va$$!ne. 

Only problem is, public access to this sort of information is below our access level.

More on this here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XQN9pOwj5BOu/