Transdermal Magnesium - Nigari

[lund]

I have been taking Mg Orotate for say 3 months or so, w/o any benefit that I can perceive. This is not to say it is not helping, but I am not seeing any tangible benefit so far. I am like, this is the best and most expensive Mg, and I am not sure.

So, I ventured into the Transdermal route with Nigari. Ordered some from here Cheap Nigari , made a gallon quickly, and have been using it as a foot soak and arm spray for the last couple days. Foot soaks are 30 minutes, once a day and arm sprays are couple in a day.

After 1st day of use, waking up the next day - no more back ache that I would otherwise normally have in the AM right after getting from the bed. And the feeling is the same throughout the day - just no pain. Now I call this a result...

I know Mg takes time to rebuild and stock in the body, but there is something about the foot soak / transdermal path that seems to be producing immediate result - atleast in one dimension it did for me.

Nigari is dirt cheap - making the Mg solution yourself is very easy. You need almost a gallon to soak your feet in it. And that gallon will probably be dirty by weeks end. I ordered 10 lbs of Nigari from this web site and I think this will last me quite a bit.

[europe]

I've told you so much about nigari versus MAg oil => nobody is listening.

Ok. Nigari is better or identical as MAg oil. Period. Except the price.

What about the supplements business ? ahah

Oh, by the way, nigari is coming from the sea, like MAg oil. As natural as mag oil.

[CausticSymmetry]

This is great news, rather than a foot soak, how much of this stuff could be mixed with say to use topically?

[NewReg]

This is great news, rather than a foot soak, how much of this stuff could be mixed with say to use topically?

That's what I'm saying...

[europe]

For internal use :

1 tablespoon of Nigari in 1l of pure water. You got it babe. You can put more or lesss of the nigari.
You can take up to 3 glasses of nigari ( wait 6 hours between) when you got flue, immune system disease, viral issues etc...dot it for few days onlyat this dose, in my opinion...

For regular use, 1/2 in the morning, and 1/2 in the evening ( or only 1 glass in the morning) ...more or less.This is a "base", if you're going to toilets , reduce the amount....otherwise you can increase...So to speak, if you're taking too much, you gonna know it rapidly ! if no kidneys issues, no worries...
I never had issues from this side. depends individuals as always

last, a pack of nigari is 100g .
dosage are from 10g/l to 35g/l...

One big full tbsp is fine, but as you can see, you can upgrade...depending what you feel..

For external : The same ! 1 tablespoon of Nigari in 1l of pure water. OR more...

[lund]

Europe seems to be using this longer, so he probably has more experience there.

I followed this on curezone and their is a separate forum for Magnesium supplementation. Basically, my understanding reading there is that Mg taken orally is poorly absorbed, however; trandermally it is much better. So does not matter which Mg you take orally, it will not be as effective as transdermally. Now that is my understanding and so far that is my experience as well.

Nigari (or Mg oil) is Magnesium Chloride. So one has to be careful to make sure taking the chloride that comes with Mg oil is okay - just something to be aware of. As an example, in Mg orotate, you are taking the oratic acid with Mg - where as in Mg oil, you are taking in the extra chlroide.

Mixing Nigari to make Mg oil is kind of trial and error for me - perhaps the mixing direction from Europe is correct, I do not know. At Curezone they say to mix the Nigari in pure water until the solution starts to become oily - you will know just keep adding until it begins to give you that feeling when rubbed b/w the palms. Another way to tell is that if left on the skill, the solution will leave white crust after say 10-15 minutes. That's also a sign that you are at an appropriate strength. You can always add more Nigari or water to up or dilute the Mg Oil.

As I said, my results from transdermal Mg were immediate - but I am doing foot soaks (30 min) once a day and 2 times liberal spray of Mg oil on both arms. Just be careful, this stuff will dry your skin pretty quick - so keep it well lubed afterwards (I use cocunut oitl afterwards) and clean off the chloride salt from your skin when done.

[europe]

lund - Good input bro !

I must admit that the dosage seems right for internal, and a very well known dosage.
I must rectify : regular dose : 1 glass /day to 2 per/day ( chronic affection)

For the external, i didn't know about this way of "making" mag oil until it feels "oily".
I always feel that the "power" couls have been better on the EXTERNAL.
So i'm gonna test it tonight right away !

By the way, MgCl in water gives : MgCl2-6H2O 20-25g/l of MgCl

You can buy Nigari ( natural form from sea) , OR MgCl ( packet of 20g but not natural) in pharmacy ( in europe though).

[lund]

CS, I am not sure ~ from my perspective I am keeping my 2 feet sokaed into this solution for good 30 minutes, I do not think you can do the same with a topical solution on scalp, there is just no easy way to keep your scalp submerged with that much Mg Oil for this long. You may have to keep spraying the oil every 30 seconds on the scalp for the next 30 minutes, perhaps not practical. The surface area of scalp is also less than the 2 feet of skin combined.

Now I am new to this, so may be you do not need to soak for 30 minutes - but I think the most of Mg I am getting is from the foot soaks, the arm sprays are gravy. Just imagine your feet submerged upto your ankle for good 30 minutes vs a little that you can srpay on your scalp or the arms.

30 minutes of foot soak is a number I have gotten from CZ and others are using it as a guideline there as well. I am sure I will have to adjust the strength of the solution / or the duration of soak once I begin to experience any sides (loose stools, palpitations, etc), we will see when and if I get there.

The link I provided in the OP is by far the cheapest source of Nigari I was able to find - shipping kills the deal, but if you order 10+ pounds the deal comes out pretty decent. Shipping was fast and I got the good delivered to me within 5 days.

This is great news, rather than a foot soak, how much of this stuff could be mixed with say to use topically?

[CausticSymmetry]

Europe & Lund - Thanks a bunch, this is so way better of a value than commercial mag oil.

[youngbalder]

Lund, Europe- Where can i buy the Nigari magnesium?

[lund]

Dude there is link in the OP. Here it is again:

Cheap Nigari Link

Lund, Europe- Where can i buy the Nigari magnesium?

[europe]

better idea : According to me, you can finf it IN EVERY NATURAL STORE IN THE WORLD...

just ask for Nigari...
Because this is used to make tofu.

cheers

[youngbalder]

thanks for the help i will look into it.

[gonzalito]

For the external, i didn't know about this way of "making" mag oil until it feels "oily".
I always feel that the "power" couls have been better on the EXTERNAL.
So i'm gonna test it tonight right away !

Europe... What I´m doing these days is take a crystal of Magnesium Chloride and wet it with just one drop of water... That way you get a wet crystal to rub it on your scalp... you could feel the crystal dissolving into some kind of oil, while you're rubbing it...

This way, I´m only using about 3 or 4 crystal each night... So I think my bottle of MC will last forever!

[sdguy]

Europe... What I´m doing these days is take a crystal of Magnesium Chloride and wet it with just one drop of water... That way you get a wet crystal to rub it on your scalp... you could feel the crystal dissolving into some kind of oil, while you're rubbing it...

This way, I´m only using about 3 or 4 crystal each night... So I think my bottle of MC will last forever!

Gonzalito, how is this working for you and where did you find the mag crystals?

[Paradox]

Hey guys,

I just received my order of Nigari. How do we know that it doesn't contain any heavy metals?

[kijumn]

Depends on which nigari you bought

This one is good

http://www.naturalimport.com/shop_for_nigari

A quote

"At this point PCBs, dioxins, poisonous mineral arsenic,
mercury, lead and other such substances are removed.
Currently no other system is able to deal with PCBs or
dioxins"

more info = http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2129859/i/LiquidNigari.pdf

[Paradox]

Jdp,

Thanks, that's the one I ordered.

[DepthInValor]

How long will 10lbs last me? Anyone?

[kijumn]

I can't be certain as I mostly use the puremagoil but have gone through 2 1/2 pounds of Nigari and my guess would be 1 year if making a super saturated solution of magnesium chloride.

What I mean is adding the Nigari flakes to water until it no longer dissolves and putting in a spray bottle. Some have heated up the water to do this.

You really don't need more than 15 sprays when supersaturated. Also, eventually when mag levels are restored, you can get by with less times using it. For me, once per week is fine and isn't uncommon. If you have high stress you may need to use more often ... stress depletes magnesium. If you have zero stress I wouldn't be surprised if it's longer than once per week.

[DepthInValor]

Thanks JDP. That PDF that you linked shows that the ion exchange method or whatever is used for the liquid nigari....I'm assuming not for the flakes as it amkes no mention?? I'm concerned with metals.

Also, have you ever tried swansons oil?

[kijumn]

Yeah, that's the million dollar question regarding magnesium chloride/nigari and heavy metals.

From what I've read there are different grades of Nigari just as there are different grades of magnesium chloride. The nigari in flakes in the link above people have mentioned to be one of the best. The one in liquid I'm sure is better but you'll pay extra.

Ancient Minerals is the standard. Puremagoil.com I'm sure is almost as good or just as good. The Swansons brand I personally wouldn't hesitate buying.

Personally, when I run out of Nigari and the puremagoil.com stuff I'm going to try the Swansons bath flakes. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU495/ItemDetail?n=0 and just add just add the flakes to water and put in a spray bottle. Should be the exact same thing. In fact, some believe that the cheap brands of magnesium chloride just take nigari flakes, add water and put in a spray bottle and then slap their label on it and call it magnesium chloride with a 1000% or whatever markup.

[johnt]

Thanks for the link on those Swansons bath flakes! At the very least, I will use them in my relaxing baths as a substitute for rubbing it on my skin.

[Project: JS]

Excellent info as always JDP.. thank you.

Ive been using swanson's mag oil and like it, but using nigari flakes or even just the mg chloride flakes from swansons would save a lot of money in the long run. Good call.

[johnt]

Excellent info as always JDP.. thank you.

Ive been using swanson's mag oil and like it, but using nigari flakes or even just the mg chloride flakes from swansons would save a lot of money in the long run. Good call.

Project: JS - How have you been using that swanson's mag oil? i.e., How many sprays per day and do you just rub it into your skin? I've been using it too, but have a difficult time knowing how much to use.

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